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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

It is godhead Darkseid powered up to beyond his Pre-Crisis levels, but that is also it.
 
Transcending said:
With their current feats, both Darkseid and Empty Hand scale to the Sphere of the Gods but nothing higher, so "At Least Low 1-C" is fine
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Can you explain EH more, why he scaled to the Sphere of the Gods?
 
It's mostly fine, just need a touchup, but @Confluctor told me that we won't be making Infinite Frontier profiles until the arc ends. Two things though:

1: What's the Lifting Strength justification?

2: About this-
At Least Low Complex Multiverse (Empty Hand appears to be stronger than Ultimate Darkseid, a new version of Darkseid that combines all previous versions into the best version, better than Godhead Darkseid at nearly succeeded in dragging the contents of the Orrery of Worlds into a multiversal singularity, which contains the 5D Bleed.)
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I think we can replace this thing "Ultimate Darkseid, a new version of Darkseid that combines all previous versions into the best version, better than Godhead Darkseid at nearly succeeded in dragging the contents of the Orrery of Worlds into a multiversal singularity, which contains the 5D Bleed." And instead just say "Darkseid". We can use Darkseid's justifications in his profile with a new key.



XXKINGXX69 said:
We see how his Godhead looks all the time, its just his base form
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And so is IF, or I can use the same logic of FC Darkseid looking different against you.
 
Transcending said:
1: What's the Lifting Strength justification?
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IDK, it's just a draft profile, I'm not taking it that seriously.
Transcending said:
2: About this-
I think we can replace this thing "Ultimate Darkseid, a new version of Darkseid that combines all previous versions into the best version, better than Godhead Darkseid at nearly succeeded in dragging the contents of the Orrery of Worlds into a multiversal singularity, which contains the 5D Bleed." And instead just say "Darkseid". We can use Darkseid's justifications in his profile with a new key.
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thank
 
Transcending said:
Yes, and I asked you for a scan, which you never provided.
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Firstly, you ignored this, so I am dismissing your claim that Darkseid from FC is his soul.

Secondly,
XXKINGXX69 said:
prove it. If we see that Darkseid in FC looks like this then the one in your image must be his soul
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1: There's nothing suggesting he's different
2: Here is your proof.

Look closely at what Darkseid said-
Now reconstituted from my lesser forms. all my past aspects have become one. My true form.
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Darkseid basically confirmed that he is reconstituted, which means that he was this self at some point in time before. He also confirms how his aspects combined with his godhead, which is all that happened.
 
Transcending said:
Firstly, you ignored this, so I am dismissing your claim that Darkseid from FC is his soul.

Secondly,

1: There's nothing suggesting he's different
2: Here is your proof.

Look closely at what Darkseid said-

Darkseid basically confirmed that he is reconstituted, which means that he was this self at some point in time before. He also confirms how his aspects combined with his godhead, which is all that happened.
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This just means he regains his previous incarnations, not that this has to be an older version of Darkseid. Its entirely possible for him to have become one with all his past aspects and gained a new form
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
This just means he regains his previous incarnations, not that this has to be an older version of Darkseid.
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Do you now what reconstitute means? If he didn't have his IF form before he would say constitute, not reconstitute.
XXKINGXX69 said:
Its entirely possible for him to have become one with all his past aspects and gained a new form
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Even if it was possible, saying he also got a new form is a baseless claim, so I can dismiss it. It would also be appealing to possibility.
 
Transcending said:
Do you now what reconstitute means? If he didn't have his IF form before he would say constitute, not reconstitute.

Even if it was possible, saying he also got a new form is a baseless claim, so I can dismiss it. It would also be appealing to possibility.
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No, reconsituted means he rebuilt himself into a state he used to be in, but he could have gotten a new form. Its not appealing to possibility because the fact that it looks different from anything we've seen implies its a whole new form
 
Or maybe its a form he had before, but if it was then we've never seen it before and can't just say his feats here are outliers
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
No, reconsituted means he rebuilt himself into a state he used to be in, but he could have gotten a new form.
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Why exactly? He literally confirmed on-panel he became the same as he was before.
XXKINGXX69 said:
Its not appealing to possibility because the fact that it looks different from anything we've seen implies its a whole new form
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Which I countered before with FC Darkseid. You responded by saying that it was his soul, but that argument was baseless and hence I dismissed it, so that argument wouldn't work.
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Or maybe its a form he had before, but if it was then we've never seen it before and can't just say his feats here are outliers
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...who talked anything about his feats being outliers, I even directly stated before that this Darkseid was more powerful than his previous versions. I agree that his feats aren't outliers
 
Transcending said:
who talked anything about his feats being outliers
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You seem to be referring to Ant's statement so I will correct it for him
Antvasima said:
This is part of the problem with different writers using wildly different cosmological types and scales and being veryinternally inconsistent even in their own stories.

It makes no logical sense for Darkseid to be able to fight a being that wrestled with The Presence in Alan Moore's old Swamp Thing story.

We may have to include a note about this in our upcoming DC Comics cosmology revision.
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Transcending said:
It's the same Darkseid but he's more powerful than he was in FC, that was confirmed
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It doesn't confirm Presence<Darkseid though, because Presence in the fight was weakened
 
Profiles such as
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Robin (Damian Wayne)

Damian Wayne is the biological son of Bruce Wayne and Talia al Ghul. His existence was hidden from his father up to when he was about ten years old, during which time he was trained by the League of Assassins in a variety of disciplines to make him an extremely efficient killer. Damian was then...
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has so little abilities and without references.

By the way, I have heard that Damian's first revival allows him to use superpower and IDK which super ability he used.
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
That's like an astral projection of him. Here's how godhead or "true form" Darkseid looks like, with the Soulfire
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Death of the New Gods doesn't fit at all with other established continuity though, including the nature of The Source. Jim Starlin was being self-absorbed, arrogant, inconsiderate, power mad, and amoral, as usual, and as such never cares how much he destroys and defiles every story setting that he touches.
 
Antvasima said:
Death of the New Gods doesn't fit at all with other established continuity though, including the nature of The Source. Jim Starlin was being self-absorbed, arrogant, inconsiderate, power mad, and amoral, as usual, and as such never cares how much he destroys and defiles every story setting that he touches.
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Ye but it's actually canon according to DC
 
We cannot consider it as such, as it doesn't make any sense whatsoever if we try to fit it with Jack Kirby's and Grant Morrison's established canon.
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
It is an official name, its the name of the entity that attempted to fight the presence in a swamp thing comic that was stated to be a part of the great darkness
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No it isn't. The "Great Evil Beast" is a fan term, it does not appear in any DC works. The official term for the being in Swamp Thing was "The Great Darkness."

Recent DC stories describe the EH as literally being the hand of the Great Darkness, not the other way around.
 
Deagonx said:
No it isn't. The "Great Evil Beast" is a fan term, it does not appear in any DC works. The official term for the being in Swamp Thing was "The Great Darkness."

Recent DC stories describe the EH as literally being the hand of the Great Darkness, not the other way around.
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The GEB was stated to be a part of the great darkness
 
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