Galbatorix vs Ainz Ooal Gown

[Meosos]

Seems to be a damn good match.
Conditions

+ Wish Upon A Star and guild treasury are not allowed

+ Speed is equalized (but I think its not nessacary)

+ both are serious

+ they fight in Ur├╗'baen

+ win by any means

+ both are in character

+ Shruika is near (since Ainz can also summon stuff)

Galbatorix: 7 (Monarch Laciel, MrKingOfNegativity, DivineTetrius, FDryBob, God-King Superma, Gargoyle One, OpMasada)

Ainz Ooal Gow: 7 (RoyGundam, Akreious, Delta3000, PaChi2, Yomi Schwarz, TheSandman31, Plyen)

Inconclusive: 0

 

[RoyGundam]

Looks like a close match but I'll vote for Ainz. First of all, Ainz being an undead mage means that most of the conventional killing spells of Galbatorix wouldn't work on him, and furthermore Ainz is a bit more versatile with his powers than Galbatorix is shown to be. Galbatorix can win if he's able to figure out Ainz' true name, but it is unlikely that he'd be able to survive that long

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I've never actually watched Overlord. Do any of Ainz's spells require incantations? And does his immunity to mind manipulation extend to mind reading?

Other than that, this looks close, even if Ainz does seem more impressive overall. About time we got a matchup where Galbatorix didn't godstomp his opponent.

 

[Blanked]

over rank spells require incantations with fallen down being the longest around 7-10 seconds or something. All the others can just be used without incantation or naming them and that's it. Yes, spells that affect mind don't touch him.

Also it's a light novel collection the anime is quite short.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Well in that case, I'm pretty sure Name of Names negs all of the spells that require incantations, so that wipes out a good portion of Ainz's options right there. That said, some of these lower level spells look like they might be things Galbatorix doesn't have wards for, so that's going to be trouble for him.

That's all I've got for right now, but it should provide a chalk outline of what's going on in this match. Might have to return to this later though, since Ainz's profile is fricking gigantic and there's no way I'm going to be able to read through all of it tonight.

 

[Blanked]

Ainz only has 5-6 spells that are actual incantations all the others can be used whenever he wants lol. Him saying grasp heart at example (sometimes he does sometimes not) is like Natsu yelling fire dragon wing attack, it's no incantation just i wanna yell my attacks name.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Yeah, this is definitely one I'm gonna have to come back to. That's a lot of stuff the King's going to have problems with, even with his wards up.

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[Meosos]

1:0 for Ainz

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Yeah, after looking through Ainz's profile, I gotta agree that he's looking better in this fight. It's still fairly close, especially with Shruikan giving Galbatorix the edge in mobility and Eldunari reserves giving him the edge in AP/Durability. But Ainz pretty much has him licked in every other area, Shruikan himself is fodder and won't even survive for long if he's not coated in the same wards as his Rider, and Ainz's immunities neuter most of Galbatorix's offense.

Put me down for Ainz. He's got my vote.

 

[Meosos]

bump

 

[Akreious]

I'm going for Ainz. Just generally better in every area except AP and Durability.

 

[Delta3000]

Ainz due to being immune to most of Galbatorix's abilities and being able to easily get past his defences.

 

[PaChi2]

Grasp Heart

If he feels flashy:

"The Goal of All Life is Death" combined with whatever he pleases.

 

[Meosos]

Grasp Heart
If he feels flashy:

"The Goal of All Life is Death" combined with whatever he pleases.

Is this a vote ?

 

[PaChi2]

Yes, I vote for Ainz Ooal Gown.

 

[FDrybob]

Ainz wins due to reasons above. Ainz's incredibly high pool of mana means that the wards will ultimately fail.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Immunity is a NLF, no matter how much "100% immunity" you want to put. If you want to say it in numerical fashion, I could easily say that Gal's mind screw is "200%" strong and overwhelms Ainz.

Can Ainz stand against hundreds of insane dragons attacking his mind when just one was able to mindscrew an entire army of 10,000 people, including people who were themselves resistant to telepathy and mind control? If your only argument is "100% resistance", then no, he can't.

Considering Gal can draw on the energy of his hundreds of Eldurnari, Shrukien's own strength, and the strength of any living thing around him his mind can access, he won't be running out of stamina any time soon either.

Angela stated that her abiity that was heavily implied to be a time stop would be useless against Galbatorix.

 

[FDrybob]

Would wards block grasp heart though? Even if they did, can they somehow block the stun it comes with? If so, then I will retract my vote for now.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Wards can defend against a lot of things. Grasp Heart seems to literally crush the target's heart, and that is essentially the principle of death words in Eragon - they target some vital organ (e.g. a heart, an artery, a nerve in the brain) and and damage it or pinch it telekintetically, killing the person. Death Words are some of the most basic things in the IC verse to guard against, so I can safely say that Grasp Heart will not be working, and neither will its stun effect.

 

[PaChi2]

@Monarch Grasp heart doesnt destroy the heart.

Its and instant death spell, death magic. Ainz leads with this spell. The target just dies.

Also, I dont think Gal has any resistance to time stop.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Thats how it works by the game mechanics of Yggdrasil, because a game doesn't have hearts.

In the world Ainz is transported to on the other hand, it very clearly destroys the heart. His other death spells not so much.

 

[PaChi2]

No, when Ainz used it on the dragon it didnt show any effects like when he killed the soldier. The dragon just collapsed.

Also timestop.

Until its stated that it works like that, we cant assume this speel for some reason works differently to the others.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Wont work. Angela has timestop, it wouldn't help against Gal. Plus Ainz can't actually affect anyone in time stop, he needs to wait for it to finish

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBkjlPOlDdU

You see the heart break, and you hear the soldier choke as he dies. It crushes the heart, that's how the spell works. Show me it working on something without a heart, then we'll talk

 

[PaChi2]

Ainz can use Delay magic so the moment the timestop finishes the target will instantly receive the spell. True death is cool at that.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I still reckon Gal just mind haxes. He does it first thing, semi-passively, and a game's "100% resistance" is no match for hundreds of insane army-mind-haxing dragons smashing into your mind at once, along with the guy who drove them insane in the first place doing the same.

Ainz gets converted to energy, or left perceiving the world 1 second per century for the rest of time.

 

[PaChi2]

Thats not proof of crushing the heart.

He used it on a dragon, no heart appeared. He didnt crush anything and the dragon just collapsed. Its instant death magic.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Profile says it destroys the heart. Or any other organ, but it actually specifies the heart as an example.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Its more logical than a spell, that shows a heart in Ainz's hands, being crushed, and then the person he uses it on collapses choking, not actually crushing the heart

Occams Razor. Simplest explanation But meh, still needs to use the spell.

Actually, any spell Ainz uses that uses language as a medium (not even verbal, just language as a medium) gets nulled by the Name of Names.

Fight starts, hundreds of insane dragons crash into Ainz's mind and overwhelm his "100% resistance" and he's left a vegetable, trapped in an illusion for ever, or perceiving the world 1 second every century.

And Shruiken is just as warded as Galbatorix is, plus he has a dragons natural magic resistance. There's a reason why they needed that fancy spear to kill him. Because nothing else could have got past the thousands of wards Gal had layered on his dragon to protect him from any threat.

 

[PaChi2]

I mean, it doesnt really matter if it crushes the heart or not. Ainz still has many Instant death spells.

why is shruikan in this fight again? Gal's fights always include him?

"Its more logical than a spell, that shows a heart in Ainz's hands, being crushed, and then the person he uses it on collapses choking, not actually crushing the heart

Occams Razor. Simplest explanation"

I thought the same until volume 11.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Ainz has summons, so OP included Shruiken

Shrukiken is easily MCB by sheer size, with equal wards to Gal that make its durability far higher, to say nothing of a dragon's powerful psychic abilities and instinctual borderline-reality-warping magic.

 

[PaChi2]

Yeah, yeah, I know shruikan. I read the books.

 

[RoyGundam]

@Monarch, Technically all magic in Inheritance Cycle is Reality Warping, it's just that they are limited by the amount of energy that is required to perform that reality warping. For instance, you could point at a water body and say "turn to gas" (in the Ancient Language) and it will turn to gas, provided you can supply the energy required for that change. Dragons though, can perform much more impressive magic, like making everyone forget the names of the traitorous dragons for all time, create pocket dimensions etc.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Its more like energy conversion + magical coding actually.

To use your example, if someone thought "turn to gas" looking at water, but thought "hey look my friend is over there ", they'd end up turning their friend to gas and probably dying from trying to supply the energy to vapourize the person in the process

Dragon magic isn't bound by spells or language though. They just have to strongly want something to happen and it does. Techincally most spell casters can use languageless spells, but its dangerous.

 

[RoyGundam]

The purpose of the Ancient Language is to avoid those kind of mishaps. Also, the amount of energy required is dependent on how you word the spell, but I would suppose that the absolute minimum energy required would be the Entropy difference between the starting and ending states (given that the Inheritance verse mostly follows real world physics). Both spoken and unspoken magic are basically the same thing, but spoken magic binds the magical action in concrete terms while unspoken magic doesn't do that so it's more risky

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

True, but there's a difference between verbal AL magic, non-verbal AL magic and language-less magic (e.g. what the dragons use)

The dragon's magic is closer to reality warping because it can actually ignore the energy costs.

 

[PaChi2]

Iirc, Eragon-verse's magic protections were very specific and could be bypassed by something the caster didnt know about. In this case, Ainz's unknown spells.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

On the one hand you are correct. A spell that the character has not warded against cannot be blocked.

On the other hand, Galbatorix is a paranoid genius who has lived for several centuries during which he has had time to develop and layer himself with hundreds of thousands of wards against practically any effect.

 

[Blanked]

^That last part is not assuming that he already has protection against anything Ainz can use cause that's just NLF if it's the case.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Not assuming that. But he would have protection against everything seen in the series.

Give me a moment to find everything that is