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For gods' sakes. You all need to try to cooperate with me somewhat if you want anything to happen here.So have you reached any conclusions here then, and if so, what?
I can at least agree on speed being iffy at best because xrd is just a loaded bulldozer of antifeats for speed. The only good speed feat would be maybe sol fighting against asuka and valentine in overture firing lasers cause anything thing else before that visual wise in game is gonna be capped at relativistic+ and IK's are practically only half useable since the "is it use in the story consistently" question throws any of the good IK'S post novels/audio novels into the garbage.ABOUT SPEED
The speed is.. still iffy to me. We seriously need to put a list of every speed feat to see if we can find anything). I can see GG characters being FTL and even MFTL
Honestly the copy justice fights with all the characters is iffy enough due to GGAC only having a good small handful of cannon paths and most of them (mostlty) either fall under not being cannon or have the same result like drama CD red/black where it's ethier I-no pulling a causality retcon (getting killed by a awaken baiken) or just straight up alternate timeline stuff that's not in the mainline cannon (Eddie just transcends the concept of death and not dying)ABOUT DOWNSCALING
Issue is, the Imitation-Series Justice scales only to SEALED Justice from Guilty Gear - Missing Link, not her full power. We don't know how much weaker is the Sealed Justice compared to the original. I am also sure a few couldn't even scale to THAT. For example, Baiken couldn't even scratch an Imitation Series Justice.
All this true for the scaling in those parts of the timeline, but the issue with the extra manga is that the calc was for destroying a satellite but the issue is that it was mainly zepp's weapons that blew it up while tyr, mizuha, and anji we're just able to destroy the barrier. And then when it started regenerating it anji got folded by a random gear falling out of the sky and it took tyr and mizuha to actually destroy it for good. So not even anji really scales to it and he's the main source link for everyone in mid tier and below even having it. Not to mention anji is just filled loaded statements, he's the first one to mention how he can fold megadeath class gears with ease in GGXX, there's him talking about how even justice feared his power in guilty gear dust strikers, and even in the extra manga where he talks about we'd need infinite power to destroy the satellite.When they take on genuine high tier, like Sol, they can't even scratch him. Heck, they couldn't take on Ky who usually trashed everyone back in X and XX until fighting with Sol (who trashed him back until Xrd)
We can scale them to far above Megadeth class Gear, given even the weakest ones can take a Megadeth class one, and the Guilty Gear Xtra manga should work to give us some idea for their power. I think the original link had them being... High 6-A? I assume Justice at its weakest was still above them
Just upgrade.top tier character to high 5ASo what should we do here in summary?
We would also need to talk about their speed. I’m pretty sure most the downgrades are agreed upon (the characters getting subsonic or hypersonic movement speed, I would need to relook over a feat), and they will no longer be MFTL+ nor immeasurable.Just upgrade.top tier character to high 5A
We will discuss about low tier later
So what should we do here in summary?
So about this...I am afraid that I need considerably better justifications/explanations than that.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/further-guilty-gear-revisions.127469/post-4322805We would also need to talk about their speed. I’m pretty sure most the downgrades are agreed upon (the characters getting subsonic or hypersonic movement speed, I would need to relook over a feat), and they will no longer be MFTL+ nor immeasurable.
Technically unrelated, but to make an earlier point clearer (referring to everyone), why would the recap take priority over the original (talking about gamma ray). The original is still the main canon, so what happens in that should be more important than the thing that’s only recapping it, especially when the recap says moments are inaccurate. Gamma ray is instant in the original, that’s the main canon of the events. Plus light speed being instant to these characters lines up with Johnny’s light speed statements and with the rocket’s statement of being faster than Sol.
If somebody provides a sufficiently thorough, but easy to understand, explanation, I can probably call some other staff members here to help evaluate it as well.
Wtf? Why would he need to travel the surface area? Just go with circumference.https://vsbattles.com/threads/further-guilty-gear-revisions.127469/post-4322805
Didn't you say chipp traveled half the globe in at least half a day, then that means he's traveling by the surface area. Half the earth's surface area is about 2.5505e+14 meters squared and he traveled that in about 12 hours which is 5903940000 meters per second or 19.693424042c. Like bruh, you had a feat for chipp being faster than light right there in Xrd of all places.
How did you get massively faster than light from traveling half the planet in a day!? A normal airplane in the real world makes that travel in less time.https://vsbattles.com/threads/further-guilty-gear-revisions.127469/post-4322805
Didn't you say chipp traveled half the globe in at least half a day, then that means he's traveling by the surface area. Half the earth's surface area is about 2.5505e+14 meters squared and he traveled that in about 12 hours which is 5903940000 meters per second or 19.693424042c. Like bruh, you had a feat for chipp being faster than light right there in Xrd of all places.
It doesn't take much effort to do the calc, so if the statement is useful it doesn't harm to have extra supporting evidence.As I said before, just straight up don't use the black hole feat.
It is a made-up term rather than a technical one, but the etymology refers to a micro-sized world.Sadly no, I researched Microverse and all I got was the Microverse from Marvel (which we can't use because different world) and an online school for remote programming. I don't think Asura was talking about it.
Squared footage that's why.How did you get massively faster than light from traveling half the planet in a day!? A normal airplane in the real world makes that travel in less time.
Then why did you say he traveled half the globe in half day, cause him showing up in random places means covering ground in multiple areas not just in circumference.I don’t know how you would get either of those locations. We saw Chipp near some random mountains then in a random forest. I was just saying half the planet for the maximum the feat can be (since it wouldn’t make any sense for him to travel further he would just go the other direction). The point wasn’t to be a usable feat, it was to be an anti feat against the cartoonishly high MFTL+ they currently scale to.
For combat speed the anti feat is Johnny’s light speed statement. In the quote it comes from Zato (who is around Johnny’s strength in XRD) says the attack is completely unreactable. And Johnny trapped Bedman in a sea of blades he had zero chance or escaping. Plus the attack is in and of itself implied to not scale to Johnny and to be a special attack.
If your gonna be nick picky on saying the gameplay feats be too cartoony or too shaky to be consistent then actually find something consistent cause you don't have don't have a consistent bell curve for even your anti feat downgrades cause one you haven't put anything hard number down for anything story wise besides just the speed of that one rocket.The relativistic+ feat was already really shakey anyways since it comes from a recap of the original game. The original game itself has the laser be literally instant in comparison to everyone else.
Recap supervised by Arc System Works. By the wiki's definition being overseen by the author makes it secondary canon.The relativistic+ feat was already really shakey anyways since it comes from a recap of the original game. The original game itself has the laser be literally instant in comparison to everyone else.
The developers created pre-fight cutscenes made from gameplay, so it is basically both:I'm honestly unsure why we are even entertaining the idea to use fighting game gameplay to scale, when that would result in stuff like May's totsugeki memeing everyone.
I see.Sol blocking Gamma ray comes from a cutscene. There pre fight in game cutscene has gamma ray be instant.
The developers created pre-fight cutscenes made from gameplay, so it is basically both:
Don't dodge the question, how does he know the speed if he can't react to it. That's self contradictory to say you can't react to it yet say you know the exact speed of it.“He says it can't be seen with the naked eye”
Shadow that means he can’t react to it. He can’t see it due to its speed, that is the definition of being unreactable. Plus in Bedman’s case it was even worse he literally had zero way of escaping it and was forced to fight Johnny and Leo as a result.
Don't worry, I got it anyway ovoReread my last post if you can. Autocorrect is so annoying
But now you making a bold assumption that opens more questions, is the technique public knowledge?, is the technique secret knowledge that the assassins guild just knows? And saying the writers having to be purely an exposition dump isn't explaining how he knows this.I guess I can see how you think that is dodging the question so let me reword my point. We don’t know how he knows the speed. He could have been told or read it somewhere since it is a technique. The writers are having him be the info dumb here, so he knows. But that doesn’t matter because the important part in the context of Zato is that he can’t react to the attack. He can’t see it, he makes it clear he knows the attack because he says he can explain in more detail, but in that same sentence he says he can’t react to it.
sorry for not responding slightly earlier. I was helping my mom
No quit dodging the questions, these questions matters cause if can't react to it he would of been blitzed and died on spot. he said "Your blade" not one of his techniques or his fighting style.Those questions don’t matter though. Everything that is important here is stated. Zato knows the technique is light speed, he says he can explain why, and he says he can’t even see the attack because of how fast it is. We know the speed and we know it’s vastly faster than both Zato and Bedman.