Franklin Richards 2-A to High 1-B Upgrade

[Hykuu]

I have seen the scans for this, i really dont get why this was rejected. i decided to try and do my own digging and found this stuff.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/L34uBhckJO...UQjNZP8rtr9jj8YBeUKYkonqVSPzzpuQ2jx-E_2=s1600 ^Here its implied that Franklin Richards can save his family and Defeat Hyperstorm

http://photobucket.com/gallery/http...er/galanphotobook/media/hyper-power4.jpg.html http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/hyper-power6.jpg.html ^The Same Hyperstorm who can vanish people from every plane of existence and became master of all of time and space, He derives his power from Hyperspace which connects to every higher dimension

https://imgur.com/a/X8SGv And as know, there exist a transfinite spatial dimensions/planes of existence in marvel. There are also a transinfinite amount of stated by the scan above, which will be very important for other sections.(edited)
Daydreamers

https://imgur.com/7VcUyMF ^In Daydreamers Franklin was responsible for destroying and recreating the Nexus of all realities subconsciously. Its entirely subjective to him

https://imgur.com/c2PusOs

^There are countless doorways in said Nexus , with each door leading to infinite possibilities, which Implies franklin was destroying and creating infinite X infinite universes,essentially as its a part of his imagination he transcends them. ( above baseline Multiversal+/5D feat)
Hickman's run/Celestial scaling
This is where feats get a little bit crazy, this sort of scaling usually reaches to uhh, higher ends.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111271893/5483558-5376947-zzakkkkk.jpg ^Here celestials are capable of tanking the UN, which was used to erase abraxas, reanimate multi eternity and erase quasar from every plane of existence

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...1/450313155076292608/3916718-mh2006unvsig.png

https://imgur.com/hcZEZt5 The Ultimate Nullfier was used to reset the multiverse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sj5KP6f9QA ^The celestials can no sell the infinity gauntlet, a fully powered one (3:19)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...5630218/1052088-fantastic_four_v3_49___16.png Abraxas (Who was shown above to be a threat to multi eternity) was scared shitless by the ultimate nullifier

https://imgur.com/e3oKNNh " Danger, Threat , Harbringer , Doom , Destroy , Terminate , End" The Celestials are extremely scared of Franklin richards, he can tank attacks from them and hurt them even as a child

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7E7RpvIw...nEBJkegCLcBGAs/s1600/the-crossroads-entry.jpg

^Gaea and the other elder gods were responsible for creating the crossroads to infinity

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213429/5506211-6171393663-30164.jpg

Which connects to infinite dimensions^

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/374218514237620227/450267923291045900/NegativeZone442.jpg ^And was straight up said to be infinite dimensional https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11133/111331753/6065769-1707891983-RCO03.jpg ^Yet she was still below the celestials,absolutely fearful of them

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/wsFxXYCpB2...N2hNwl1GfMZcHm43R3jOtwsQ6fUfJNsakTKZhgm=s1600 ^Celestials are able to fight the watchers on every layer of existence (Outlier for the watchers but not for the prior)

https://imgur.com/yrDBjwB ^Celestials are stated to be the architects of all of creation

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g_HBFLOE...BGAs/s640/exterminators-astonishing-x-men.jpg

^Someone with a fodder celestials powers can destroy the very structure of the multiverse

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...0/6300945-ultimates+2+(2016-2017)+009-006.jpg

^The Celestials are able to fight head and head with Lifebringer galactus

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111196008/6016478-5362628-3297835387-47756.jpg

^Were straight up said to have created the 7th iteration of the multiverse, also known as Multi eternity

https://imgur.com/TbZ5rLc

^Galactus has the totality of a infinite dimensional multiverse in his heart

^He was also able to hurt Master Order and Lord Chaos on the highest plane of existence

https://imgur.com/Z3FMg5D ^Was able to fold everything that was,is or ever will be

^And a hungry galactus was going to devour all time and space including the first firmament

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11116/111165155/4876278-conflagration.jpg ^The battle between Galactus and scrier was going to destroy all of creation (Oblivion later states this event dwarfs the chaos war, making it high 1-B)


Excalibur feats/strongest mutant scaling(edited) https://pic4.zhimg.com/50/50de94a834604a818a777d0b2dc9f573_hd.jpg Note that any statement from roma of a omniversal threat/statement from the captain britian/exaclibur comic includes every plane of existence

https://imgur.com/FTAijMJ and infinite planes were mentioned

https://imgur.com/YP2fMkv https://imgur.com/RcDLoo0 https://imgur.com/GDLzW6b https://imgur.com/JVo0fGY Here are multiple statements from beings like the Watcher and Roma that hes a threat to all that exists/omniverse/multiverse

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/da/54/37/da543703bbe8df98ab852da1f5873ff3.jpg Franklin was stated to be the most powerful mutant of all time, which would put him above the likes of HOM scarlet witch and mad jim jaspers

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-plS-PBLu...CLcBGAs/s1600/uncanny-x-men-chaos-wave-p2.jpg ^Scarlet witch's power was going to consume all of creation
Considering it's Roma who says it : 2-A to High 1-B Range and AP ]

https://imgur.com/AM7AcTM https://imgur.com/ssrpN5F https://imgur.com/PPzOPJf https://imgur.com/epQvJf7 Transformed all of Otherworld effortlessly , and also destroying all the Higher Dimensions (Notice the use of the word Brane), Otherworld has been stated to be a Pan-Dimensional Realm, and it also contains the citadel

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/arQn2o9R28...oFHhF-_k9JVqvgkAQ3xxp_CbAnJq00Rmnohq5k5=s1600 ^The Citadel is connected to all planes of existence

https://imgur.com/mxE8WLe ^Easily defeated Roma, and described her power to be all her titles are implied to be, and more (Guardian of the Omniverse)

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Qvu8eQEi...Ckfu5DYsfxBk62wCLcBGAs/s400/OHOTMU-merlyn.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Qvu8eQEi...Ckfu5DYsfxBk62wCLcBGAs/s400/OHOTMU-merlyn.jpg ^Merlyn and Roma view all of existence as a chess game

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eIce2zQB...cdXoicYEACLcB/s1600/roma-fantastic-four-2.jpg Both of them also have Complete Control over Multi Eternity and Multi Infinity

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/98212/1785492-47uncanny_x_men465_40.jpg https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36274/1611551-meggan1.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/e5/61/4ce56191681339569055cdcceab7225e.jpg ^ Meggan had the Powers of the Otherworld, Earth , and the Pan-Dimensional Powers of the Beyond , but it could only forestall a incredibely small portion of the Chaos Wave, not destroy it

https://imgur.com/S8bMOYW ^Fury would have ended all of existence

https://imgur.com/xIyALud ^Again noted their [ Fury's and Jaspers' ] power could've destroyed the Omniverse/Multiverse of Excalibur, Which is infinite dimensional

https://imgur.com/suTCIC0 ^Another statement of being capable of destroying the Omniverse / Multiverse of Exaclibur

https://imgur.com/cSWHPp0 ^ Another statement of the Omniverse/Multiverse being in danger due to Fury & Jaspers

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3503635-01.jpg ^Roma views franklin richards and the celestials as all powerful, thats the gap between roma's and their power

http://resizeandsave.online/openpho...15/111150648/4151772-beyonder+nexus+power.jpg ^Nexus Beyonder was going to destroy infinite multiverses, he was later revealed to be the goblin queen https://imgur.com/fu62LfJ Scott summers, a mutant easily killed the goblin force. Franklin scales to him as hes the most powerful mutamt + scott was stated to have celestial level potential and that the celestials defeated the goblin force earlier in the story.

Conclusion: He should be ATLEAST 2-A, Potientially high 1-B

 

[S.T.A.L.K.B.E.R.2]

I agree

 

[Hykuu]

Bump

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

this is a lot of information.... should probably forward it to an admin in a condensed formm... imo

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask Matthew and Sandman31 to comment here.

 

[Sandman31]

I'll try to evaluate it bit by bit since its admittedly a lot of scan and info

With the hungry Galactus image. Yeah, Galactus was going to devour the multiverse but not the First Firmament. Thats why it said that "All time and space spiraling away TO the First Firmament"

 

[Sandman31]

Also, the Chaos Wave isnt Wanda's power. Its the result of Wanda tampering 616 universe, which opened the breach that let the Chaos Wave in.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Sandman31]

Also, I dont think that the Crossroads of Infinity thing refers to infinite spatial dimension, it's more likely that its only referring to universes. Given that thats the reason why Hulk's infinite planetary earthquake happened. It would also make sense since the crossroads of infinity connects all universe, the pathway to everywhere

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Also, I'm pretty sure Matthew mentioned about Lifebringer being High 1-B. Dont know about Franklin

 

[Hykuu]

I'll try to evaluate it bit by bit since its admittedly a lot of scan and info

With the hungry Galactus image. Yeah, Galactus was going to devour the multiverse but not the First Firmament. Thats why it said that "All time and space spiraling away TO the First Firmament"

That would still be a Infinite dimensional feat regardless, since the term "multiverse" was referring to multi eternity throughout the story.

The chaos wave proves that the otherworld is high 1-B, which roma scales to (Equal to Otherworld merlin who created it.)

Uh no, the page before that Reed mentions the terms "three-Dimensional" and "4-Dimensional" and "Dimensional barrier" and such, after that he talks about the limitless dimensions which would be spatial dimensions in this context, the pathway connects to every universe AND spatial dimension

Yeah, the high 1-B lifebringer upgrade got accepted just no one edited his profile.

 

[Antvasima]

We are waiting for Matthew to get the time to revise the Marvel cosmic entities, but given the massive problems within the wiki recently, he likely needs some time to recover.

 

[Sandman31]

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213429/5506211-6171393663-30164.jpg

"The concussive force of their coming together reverberates along the pathways leading from the crossroads to an infinite number of dimensions...causing cataclysmic upheavals and unimaginable destruction"

Pretty sure thats referring to universes, the shockwaves of their clash reverberates along the pathways leading to an infinite number of dimensions which then shows how their clash affected infinite worlds/universes

 

[Hykuu]

I have already explained how the crossroads connect to literally EVERYTHING, every universe AND dimension Also, the quote you provided can just mean spatial dimensions as well.

 

[Sandman31]

No it cannot when its been shown to connect to other universes, we cant assume that its spatial dimensions when it clearly meant to be something else, unless you're saying that those planets are higher dimensional or something. Reed mentioning 3-Dimensional and 4-Dimensional is irrelevant unless we know the context of how those terms were used as well.

Reed mentioning Spatial Dimensions doesnt invalidate the context of the scene where the infinite dimensions were mentioned itself. Because that quote cant be both referring to spatial and universes at the same time and from the statement and the function of the Crossroads, it seems more likely to be referring to the latter

 

[Hykuu]

You really can't mention another instance from a completely different comic and try meshing the cosmology, you can't base your argument off 1 contradiction repeating "those were universes lolol", I'm trying to say that the crossroads connect to both infinite universes AND dimensions, though you can affect one without effecting the other (shown in the hulk scan) so this would probably imply 2-A more than high 1-B, the fact he mentioned spatial dimensions in the context is very relevant because they were used to describe the dimensions within the crossroads, right before mentioning limitless dimensions.

the function of the crossroads is connecting to ALL of creation, not just infinite universes, I.e its the same thing as "infinite universes in infinte dimensions" sort of superstructure, but yeah 2-A would still be fine.

 

[Sandman31]

I'm talking about the Hulk scan, which I think refers to infinite universes

If you're talking about the other scan, no I'm not talking about that because I didnt get any context from that at all, you should upload the entire page and the entire context instead of uploading a single copped out image

 

[Hykuu]

https://imgur.com/a/X8SGv#loEZ3a1 Should be somewhere here.

 

[NULL_Terrorist]

@Sandman we have agreed that lifebringer is high 1-B. for multiple reasons.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Sandman, in the scans regarding the Crossroads , Dimensions was only used in the Higher-Dimensional sense.. Subspace is connected to every higher-dimension as implied by both these scans, which is important for two people:

• Asheema [ A Celestial ] could become as big as the edge of subspace, which was referred to as the Crossroads, and Hyperstorm was described as being one with Hyperspace, which is one with Subspace, which is one with all higher-dimensions .

• Also, the Crossroads of Infinity was mentioned in Ultimates & Secret Wars , and quite a few other places, which was part of the reason Matthew agreed with upgrading Lifebringer Galactusto High 1-B ( And I can quote him if you want.... Though I don't think I need to ) .

Also, the Crystal Palace, which alllows view for all the Dimensions "Dimensions upon Dimension, beside each other across the Conceptual Infinity", is within the M'Krann Crystal / Nexus of All Realities . IMO it can be interpreted as either Higher-DImensional or Universes.

 

[Sandman31]

The Crystal Palace scan seems to be more likely referencing to universes with the picture of Earths/Worlds dissapearing in conjunction with dimensions dissapearing over the course of billions years.

Spatial dimensions dont dissapear gradually, or dissapear at all unless the verse itself gets destroyed, its like saying west or north will dissapear within a billion years time

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Okay then. My main reason for coming was saying that the Crossroads more refer to Higher-Dimensions than Universes.

 

[Sandman31]

Ok, I guess. I think the High 1-B feat is there, its just how we organize it so those that are not supposed to be High 1-B wouldnt be High 1-B

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

That is true. On my mind right now on who should scale :

- Anyone who scales to the Celestials directly [not via outliers]

- Anyone who can at least be somewhat comparable to the Multi-Abstracts

- Anyone scalable to the Nexus of All Realities ( Via All Levels of Reality/Creation statement , the Fallen Stars , etc )

Malloy is the biggest offender personally. He has the most speculation seen in the series . However, Based on research, he's at the very least stronger than the Full Phoenix Force casually, and likely comparable to PR Beyonder [ Cyclops was confident he could oneshot him when he had the Full Phoenix Force within him ,WoG placed him as ' The Most Powerful Marvel Character shown up to date in the Marvel Universe ' , portrayed as a bigger threat than God Emperor Doom to the Entire World, and Rachel feared his powers even though she meet Pre-Retcon Beyonder previously (Yes he was retconned back to his Pre-Retcon days recently) ]

 

[PsychoWarper]

Wait when you say Malloy do you mean Matthew Malloy?

Also since it was brought up in this how come The Fury doesnt have a profile?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Yep I was referring to Matthew Malloy.

We still need to figure out what tier to put Jaspers at.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Ah ok, I always wished Matthew was in more comics since he seemed interesting(though from what I can tell that was in an alternate universe so he could appear in the main one).

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

He definitely could, though if they brought him back.... Lord knows the damage he could unleash to the MU.... would be unprecedented ... *shivers* . He did deserved more screentime than he got though .

Let's not derail this... I'm mainly trying to figure out if Matthew is indeed High 1-B or not.

 

[Antvasima]

My apologies, but I would prefer if Seed permanently stays out of any Marvel tiering discussions. He will usually interpret any references whatsoever in the most exaggerated manner possible.

 

[Hykuu]

F for respects. Ant, you really shouldn't try pushing people out of threads, he literally helped validate the thread right now, if he is making a claim you think is wank which isn't even relevant to the thread, there is no reason for you to push him out of this thread.

 

[Antvasima]

I have a long experience with him, and he constantly makes all Marvel revisions far more difficult, despite that I have asked him to stop multiple times. Sorry.

 

[PsychoWarper]

The problem is what we just talked about '''screen time''' though based off statements hes considered to be FR and Dark Phoenix level power so that at least give him a Jim Jasper like ranking of Unknown presumably "insert tier here".

 

[Hykuu]

He just helped validate the thread, He really isn't doing something really bad here.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

• Helps prove that the Crossroads of Infinity was referred to be High 1-B, and does my best to help the thread by trying to point in the right direction

• Banned from speaking of Marvel

Ouch.I was hesitant to be a part of this thread... I guess for good reason. . I guess I'll be leaving now.... No hard feelings. Well, for myself maybe .... But not for any of you.

 

[Hykuu]

You can stay, Ant is probably just tired right now to check so many comments.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Oh sorry seed didn't mean for that to happen.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Psycho It's fine... Think of it as karma to me for trying to upgrade Marvel constantly over the years. Ironically I'm not even the one demanding it as much.

@Hykuu ... I'm going to have to hear it from him... With all due respect . I don't want to blatantly disrespect his wishes, because I'm certain at a time it was in the Discussion Rules for me or Lucky not to be involved with these threads .

 

[Antvasima]

I would prefer if he leaves Marvel revisions to Sandman31 and Matthew. Sorry.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Ant ... I am though. I wasn't the one to make this thread. I haven't made any indication of persisting with the upgrade, more or less arguing and mentally preparing myself for when Matthew decides to do it, whether it benefits me or not . Like I said, since you said to leave, I will.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, maybe I have been reacting out of habit. I suppose that you can stay, as long as you make an effort to strictly stick to the facts, without speculation.

 

[Sandman31]

I feel like what Marvel need is a single thread/blog that addresses all the issues regarding scaling and the tier 1 ratings?

Also, I don't think guys like Chthon should be High 1-B. I'm extra cautious regarding Marvel because everyone literally has a chance to be tier 1 lol