Marvel Onslaught Upgrade

[Excellence616]

Onslaught Profile has​

At least Planet level (Defeated the Juggernaut with one punch, and also managed to skewer him without any trouble) | High Universe level (Created a second sun, drew upon the powers of Franklin Richards, and stood up to an absolutely berserk Hulk)

Franklin Richards is rated High Hyperverse level

Onslaught is formed from Professor X's and Magneto's consciousnesses and contained Franklin Richards and Nate Grey and he can use all of their powers.

So Onslaught should be

At least Planet level (Defeated the Juggernaut with one punch, and also managed to skewer him without any trouble) | High Hyperverse level (Can draw upon the powers of Franklin Richards, Nate Grey, Professor X and Magneto. Stood up to an absolutely berserk Hulk)

 

[Gasper]

I agree

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Looks fine

 

[Antvasima]

I personally agree about this.

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What do you think about this?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

You should probably remove the “second sun” bit. Sorta irrelevant in the grand scale of a hyperverse.

 

[Gasper]

Yeah, you could make a list of feats of Onslaught under his weaknesses or something and add it there.

 

[Armorchompy]

Seems ok. Could ideally use a few scans but the reasoning is already there, it's just fitting in with the scaling ig

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

I agree

 

[Excellence616]

Could ideally use a few scans

Franklin Richards in Onslaught mind scape | X-Men Vol 2 #55
Onslaught capturing Franklin | Fantastic Four Vol 1 #414

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with this.

 

[Antvasima]

Can this be applied?

Well, the change seems rather self-evident, and we have three staff agreements now, but both The Juggernaut and Onslaught's base level statistic keys should probably be upgraded significantly from tier 5-B.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright to me.

 

[Excellence616]

both The Juggernaut and Onslaught's base level statistic keys should probably be upgraded significantly from tier 5-B.

Maybe 5-B to 3-C scaling to Base Juggernaut

 

[Antvasima]

Is the Juggernaut really that weak? He has endured prolonged poundings from Thor even without his force field.

 

[Excellence616]

Is the Juggernaut really that weak?

No, Onslaught was just too powerful. Onslaught literally took down team of Avengers, X-Men and FF and almost seems undefeatable.

 

[Gasper]

No, Onslaught was just too powerful. Onslaught literally took down team of Avengers, X-Men and FF and almost seems undefeatable.

Why is Juggernaut only 5-B to 3-C in the first place though?

 

[Excellence616]

Why is Juggernaut only 5-B to 3-C in the first place though?

Has consistently fought Hulk and Thor.

 

[Tomfer]

Has consistently fought Hulk and Thor.

Shouldn't that give him a Variable tier then? Since Thor's base key has different 3 tiers and Hulk is already Variable?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Why is Juggernaut only 5-B to 3-C in the first place though?

Presumably an outdated profile.

Not sure how Juggernaut’s powers work, but I remember him withstanding a God Blast once (in Thor #412).

 

[Excellence616]

Presumably an outdated profile.

Not sure how Juggernaut’s powers work, but I remember him withstanding a God Blast once (in Thor #412).

The Juggernaut does not scale from that his forcefield once withstood Thor's god-blast, as the latter was extremely weakened at the time.

 

[Gasper]

High 1-B with the forcefields then.

 

[Excellence616]

High 1-B with the forcefields then.

For Juggernaut?

 

[Gasper]

For Juggernaut?

I guess so

 

[Excellence616]

I guess so

Why should he have High 1-B with the forcefields?

 

[Gasper]

Why should he have High 1-B with the forcefields?

Where those his forcefields?

 

[Excellence616]

Where those his forcefields?

Juggernaut has no feat on that level. The feat that would have been High 1-B for him was done when the character was weakened.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Straightforward enough.

 

[Excellence616]

Juggernaut has no feat on that level. The feat that would have been High 1-B for him was done when the character was weakened.

See here | Thor Vol 1 #412 and 413

 

[Gasper]

See here | Thor Vol 1 #412 and 413

Than what would that be? An outlier?

 

[Excellence616]

Than what would that be? An outlier?

We just say because Thor was weakened, the God Blast he used on Juggernaut was less powerful than his usual God Blast.

 

[Gasper]

I think juggernaut and anyone that scales to him should be at least 3-C to High 3-A .

 

[Gasper]

We just say because Thor was weakened, the God Blast he used on Juggernaut was less powerful than his usual God Blast.

I see

 

[Antvasima]

No, Onslaught was just too powerful. Onslaught literally took down team of Avengers, X-Men and FF and almost seems undefeatable.

I intended to refer to Juggernaut's current tiering.

 

[Antvasima]

Straightforward enough.

Thank you. This revision can probably be applied now then.

 

[Gasper]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

So has anybody applied this revision yet?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I’ve done so

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[Excellence616]

This can be closed

 

[Antvasima]

Onslaught's first statistics key should probably get the same statistics as The Juggernaut, as Onslaught easily defeated him. Or would a just a High 3-A statistic be better?

 

[Gasper]

I think the same as Juggernaut's statistics should be better.