Speed of Light upgrade for Fantastic Four and Doom.

[Eseseso]

This should be simple and painless.

In Fantastic Four Vol. 3 #25, Doctor Doom launches his forcefield as two energy beams that go at the speed of light, and Reed Richards himself moves at a speed "only slightly slower than that", which would downscale to "Relativistic+" and be just below lightspeed.

The Fantastic Four, Doom, and all those who scale (like the Hulk's combat speed) should have their standard speed upgraded to "Relativistic+", as Doom himself scales in speed to Reed and all of the other F4 members have fought Doom.

EDIT:

I found some support for the F4 being relativistic+ in speed:

1. Reed Richards in Fantastic Four #200 dodging lasers.

2. Johnny Storm dodges laser guns.

3. Susan Storm:

Defends against and reacts to multiple unpredictable laser beams (FF #183)

Reacts to laser beams (FF #201)

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[SeijiSetto]

In Fantastic Four Vol. 3 #25, Doctor Doom launches his forcefield as two energy beams that go at the speed of light, and Reed Richards himself moves at a speed "only slightly slower than that".

The Fantastic Four, Doom, and all those who scale (like the Hulk's combat speed) should have their standard speed upgraded to "Speed of Light", as Doom himself scales in speed to Reed and all of the other F4 members have fought Doom.

that doesn't really follow to me?
if the beams go at SoL, and Reed is slower, then he's not SoL. He's Relativistic+, downscaling from lightspeed.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Yeah it says Reed appears to be moving slightly slower so he (and those who scale to him) would be Relativistic+ while Doom's force fields would be light speed.

 

[Eseseso]

that doesn't really follow to me?
if the beams go at SoL, and Reed is slower, then he's not SoL. He's Relativistic+, downscaling from lightspeed.

Yeah it says Reed appears to be moving slightly slower so he (and those who scale to him) would be Relativistic+ while Doom's force fields would be light speed.

Fair enough.

I changed the OP, so they would all scale to Baseline "Relativistic+".

Should I put you 2 down as agreeing with Relativistic+ speed?

 

[SeijiSetto]

Fair enough.

I changed the OP, so they would all scale to Baseline "Relativistic+".

Should I put you 2 down as agreeing with Relativistic+ speed?

not baseline, like literally as high into Rela+ as you can be without being lightspeed.
they're downscaling from SoL itself, so they wouldn't be baseline.

 

[Eseseso]

not baseline, like literally as high into Rela+ as you can be without being lightspeed.
they're downscaling from SoL itself, so they wouldn't be baseline.

So what would that be, 99% Sol?

I remember Fairy Tail also having an issue with that, and they ended up deciding to backscale from a SoL person to 99% Sol.

 

[SunDaGamer]

So what would that be, 90% Sol?

I remember Fairy Tail also having an issue with that, and they ended up deciding to backscale from a SoL person to 99% Sol.

slightly below SoL could be 0.99999c or 0.99c, their rating would just be noted as Relativistic+ (<1c)

 

[Lightning_XXI]

The statement doesn't seem to talk about something "as near as lightspeed as it can be" but rather something really close to lightspeed, something at 0.7c, 0.8c or 0.9c can easily be described as such. I have no problems with the feat and the new scaling, but I think 0.999c is overestimating the statement

 

[SeijiSetto]

The statement doesn't seem to talk about something "as near as lightspeed as it can be" but rather something really close to lightspeed, something at 0.7c, 0.8c or 0.9c can easily be described as such. I have no problems with the feat and the new scaling, but I think 0.999c is overestimating the statement

Hence why I said "downscaling from lightspeed". On Reed and whoever's profile, you would write

Speed: Relativistic+ (Moved "only slightly slower" than Doom's lightspeed energy beams)

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Hence why I said "downscaling from lightspeed". On Reed and whoever's profile, you would write

Well yeah, that description looks okay, my problem was on what Relativistic+ value some others were going for

 

[Eseseso]

Hence why I said "downscaling from lightspeed". On Reed and whoever's profile, you would write

Looks good.

So, do you have an idea of what exact value they'd scale to? 0.99c? 0.9c?

 

[Shiraito983]

agree

 

[SeijiSetto]

Looks good.

So, do you have an idea of what exact value they'd scale to? 0.99c? 0.9c?

They wouldn't have an exact value here, it would just be <1c, like Sun said above.
Kinda like when we know Character A scales to exactly 15 Tons (for example), and B is a little bit stronger than A, so B is just >15 Tons.

 

[Eseseso]

They wouldn't have an exact value here, it would just be <1c, like Sun said above.
Kinda like when we know Character A scales to exactly 15 Tons (for example), and B is a little bit stronger than A, so B is just >15 Tons.

Ehhhh, I really don't like that but I'll accept it.

Yeah it says Reed appears to be moving slightly slower so he (and those who scale to him) would be Relativistic+ while Doom's force fields would be light speed.

That seem good to you?

 

[Elizhaa]

I am fine with LordGriffin1000's and SeijiSetto's proposals.

 

[Excellence616]

Same as Elizhaa

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

2 staff agree with the new changes so I'll just wait another day.

 

[Eseseso]

I am fine with LordGriffin1000's and SeijiSetto's proposals.

Yeah it says Reed appears to be moving slightly slower so he (and those who scale to him) would be Relativistic+ while Doom's force fields would be light speed.

Would one of you two mind opening the following pages:

Doctor Doom

Doctor Victor Von Doom is the dictator of the small European country Latveria and the archnemesis of the Fantastic Four. The son of a Romani witch, Cynthia von Doom, he was orphaned at a young age and grew into a brilliant, stubborn man who used his technology to protect his people. He travelled...

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Mister Fantastic

Reed Richards, better known as Mister Fantastic, is the leader of the Fantastic Four and the head of the Future Foundation. A nearly unparalleled scientist, he invited his colleagues Susan Storm, Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm to test an experimental spacecraft of his own design as the government...

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Hulk (Marvel Comics)

The Hulk is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby and first appeared in The Incredible Hulk #1 (May 1962). Throughout his comic book appearances, the Hulk is portrayed as a large green humanoid...

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[Eseseso]

I am fine with LordGriffin1000's and SeijiSetto's proposals.

Yeah it says Reed appears to be moving slightly slower so he (and those who scale to him) would be Relativistic+ while Doom's force fields would be light speed.

Would one of you two mind opening the following pages:

Doctor Doom

Doctor Victor Von Doom is the dictator of the small European country Latveria and the archnemesis of the Fantastic Four. The son of a Romani witch, Cynthia von Doom, he was orphaned at a young age and grew into a brilliant, stubborn man who used his technology to protect his people. He travelled...

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Mister Fantastic

Reed Richards, better known as Mister Fantastic, is the leader of the Fantastic Four and the head of the Future Foundation. A nearly unparalleled scientist, he invited his colleagues Susan Storm, Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm to test an experimental spacecraft of his own design as the government...

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Hulk (Marvel Comics)

The Hulk is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby and first appeared in The Incredible Hulk #1 (May 1962). Throughout his comic book appearances, the Hulk is portrayed as a large green humanoid...

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[SeijiSetto]

would this not affect anyone else at all? just out of curiosity

 

[Eseseso]

would this not affect anyone else at all? just out of curiosity

Probably just the hypersonic 5-B people.

Not totally sure though.

 

[Excellence616]

Probably just the hypersonic 5-B people.

Not totally sure though.

Yeah, only 5-Bs since all their scaling comes from Hulk.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Probably just the hypersonic 5-B people.

Not totally sure though.

Looking at Doom's profile, he's scaling to Spider-Man speed-wise. Would that just... not be a thing anymore? Or would Spider-Man also be upgraded?

I have absolutely no real input in regards to what happens at the end but I think this affects more than just the FF, Doom and Hulk.

comic scaling, lole

 

[Excellence616]

Looking at Doom's profile, he's scaling to Spider-Man speed-wise. Would that just... not be a thing anymore? Or would Spider-Man also be upgraded?

Honestly his scaling to Spider Man can be removed since he already scale to 3 5-Bs.

 

[Eseseso]

Looking at Doom's profile, he's scaling to Spider-Man speed-wise. Would that just... not be a thing anymore? Or would Spider-Man also be upgraded?

I have absolutely no real input in regards to what happens at the end but I think this affects more than just the FF, Doom and Hulk.

comic scaling, lole

I don't know enough about Peter to say if him scaling to 5-B Marvel people is legit, so I'm gonna be safe and say no.

 

[Tomfer]

Looking at Doom's profile, he's scaling to Spider-Man speed-wise. Would that just... not be a thing anymore? Or would Spider-Man also be upgraded?

Tbh that thing should've been removed a long time ago. And no, Spider-man would NOT be upgraded.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, due to the 5-B+ baseline being upped from 1.38 to 1.93 yottatons, I do not think the Energy Blades qualify for 5-B+ anymore (even though they one-shot a dude who scales to 1.2 yottatons, the gap is 1.6x which is way too much for an upscale), so I'll remove those from Doom's page to avoid needless filler.

His magic is still definitely 5-A via scaling >= 10x his base (aka 12 yottatons), so that stays.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Never mind about the Spidey scaling then, I was just curious since that's what's currently written on his profile.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

This looks good.

 

[Eseseso]

This looks good.

Thanks bestie.

Would you mind unlocking the following pages?

Doctor Doom

Doctor Victor Von Doom is the dictator of the small European country Latveria and the archnemesis of the Fantastic Four. The son of a Romani witch, Cynthia von Doom, he was orphaned at a young age and grew into a brilliant, stubborn man who used his technology to protect his people. He travelled...

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Mister Fantastic

Reed Richards, better known as Mister Fantastic, is the leader of the Fantastic Four and the head of the Future Foundation. A nearly unparalleled scientist, he invited his colleagues Susan Storm, Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm to test an experimental spacecraft of his own design as the government...

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Hulk (Marvel Comics)

The Hulk is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby and first appeared in The Incredible Hulk #1 (May 1962). Throughout his comic book appearances, the Hulk is portrayed as a large green humanoid...

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[Tomfer]

I also wanna state my approval; always felt weird to hold FF's speed because of street level characters, to me, they aren't urban level exactly, lmao.

 

[Eseseso]

The Fantastic Four, Doctor Doom, Hulk, and Namor have all had their speed upgraded to Relativistic+, so this can be closed.

Thanks to everyone who was involved in this thread.

We finally got Doom out of the Hypersonic zone, ya love to see it.

 

[Tomfer]

With this upgrade, I think we can put a Varies Speed for the Mindless Ones too, right? Hypersonic for the weaker members up to Relativistic+ for the stronger members.

 

[Eseseso]

With this upgrade, I think we can put a Varies Speed for the Mindless Ones too, right? Hypersonic for the weaker members up to Relativistic+ for the stronger members.

That makes sense

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Isn't Spider-Man narratively faster than the Thing and Reed Richards?

As I remember, in absolutely every battle against F4, even if it was the whole team at once, Peter was faster than each of them.

The Thing is considered a slow character.

 

[Tomfer]

Isn't Spider-Man narratively faster than the Thing and Reed Richards?

As I remember, in absolutely every battle against F4, even if it was the whole team at once, Peter was faster than each of them.

Even if Spider-man appeared on many F4 stories, even joining the crew for a brief time, Peter himself is not part of the F4 core and should not be a used to scale them. If we started doing that, everyone in the verse would be Hypersonic since Spidey has stories with almost everyone.

Plus, we usually take stories that put two characters against each other with a grain of salt. (Which is sad, I could've argued for High 8-C Moon Knight)

The Thing is considered a slow character.

This doesn't say much.

 

[sanicspood]

reed blitizing spiderman is madness

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

reed blitizing spiderman is madness

It is so stupid

 

[Eseseso]

I do not know nearly enough on Spider-Man to say whether he legit scales to this level of speed.