Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

[speedster352]

Is elemental intangibility nullification only specific to Estarossa?

 

[Majinere566]

Is elemental intangibility nullification only specific to Estarossa?

Didn't he use Darkness?

 

[speedster352]

Didn't he use Darkness?

Yes, so high demons should be able to do it.

 

[speedster352]

Feat: Corn Maze

 

[speedster352]

Should demons get unholy manipulation and elemental intangibility negation?

 

[ByAsura]

Feat: Corn Maze

The problem is that we still don't see him construct it. He could have raised parts of it at a time.

 

[Majinere566]

Yeah that's what I really don't like, it's not shown on panel

How's the Speed stuff for mael and Meliodas level characters, I can help

 

[ByAsura]

I've mostly got it down. It's more so that I'm stretching my time thinner than usual.

The thread will come out, just not that soon.

 

[speedster352]

I've mostly got it down. It's more so that I'm stretching my time thinner than usual.

The thread will come out, just not that soon.

8 mile radius

• Surrounding towns and villages were swallowed whole in the creation of the labyrinth
• At least one forest, the Forest of Awepine, was swallowed up
• Plus some swampland
• And of course entire animal habitats in the wilderness were sucked in as well
• The labyrinth contains a ton of automated traps

 

[ByAsura]

I know it has an 8-mile radius. That's not the problem, just the timeframe.

 

[speedster352]

I know it has an 8-mile radius. That's not the problem, just the timeframe.

All the scans I posted imply that it was in a rather short period of time.

 

[ByAsura]

Not really. It'd just have to spread faster than people can run or get out their houses.

 

[speedster352]

Not really. It'd just have to spread faster than people can run or get out their houses.

It was still in a rather sort period of time probably minutes, hours or a day since these incidents coincided with each other.

 

[speedster352]

Should demons get unholy manipulation and elemental intangibility negation?

Anybody?

 

[ByAsura]

It was still in a rather sort period of time probably minutes, hours or a day since these incidents coincided with each other.

That's not stated in those scans. All that's stated is that these events happened.

Given the timeframe of the arc, though, I do think it's likely a matter of hours at the very most (could easily be minutes or seconds).

 

[speedster352]

That's not stated in those scans. All that's stated is that these events happened.

Given the timeframe of the arc, though, I do think it's likely a matter of hours at the very most (could easily be minutes or seconds).

But that wouldn't really affect the value since he still lifted up the entire thing in a relatively short amount of time.

 

[ByAsura]

It'd massively affect the value.

Even raising this in 3 sections would divide the value by 3.

 

[speedster352]

It'd massively affect the value.

Even raising this in 3 sections would divide the value by 3.

He lifted the entire thing since many places were swallowed up including habitats.

 

[ByAsura]

That doesn't mean he lifted the entire thing at once. None of what you've shown so far even suggests that. It simply means the process affected lots of areas.

 

[speedster352]

Yeah that's what I really don't like, it's not shown on panel

How's the Speed stuff for mael and Meliodas level characters, I can help

It was probably done in a few minutes or hours(in a day if you read the scans I posted above) not that it would change the result too much.

 

[ByAsura]

You're just repeating what you said before.

 

[speedster352]

Should demons get unholy manipulation and elemental intangibility negation?

You're just repeating what you said before.

 

[ByAsura]

I don't know.

 

[speedster352]

I don't know.

I mean estarossa did it with darkness after absorbing the second commandment or is it specific to him? Black cover devils have unholy manipulation on their profiles

 

[Deceived3596]

Should demons get unholy manipulation

Yeah since it's pretty much guaranteed that demonic characters have Unholy Manipulation given the inherent connotations of what a Demon is and NNT's demons are no exception to that rule.

elemental intangibility negation

Depends on the feat and what was used to negate the intangibility.

 

[ByAsura]

I mean estarossa did it with darkness after absorbing the second commandment or is it specific to him? Black cover devils have unholy manipulation on their profiles

You've asked me this many times, and no offence, but I'm going to stop responding to it. I just don't know. I didn't even know unholy manipulation was a thing until you brought it up in that other thread.

When I do know, I'll be sure to update you.

 

[speedster352]

Yeah since it's pretty much guaranteed that demonic characters have Unholy Manipulation given the inherent connotations of what a Demon is and NNT's demons are no exception to that rule.


Depends on the feat and what was used to negate the intangibility.

Estarossa used darkness to stop Tarmiel from shifting after absorbing the commandment of truth. Even sariel states his darkness stop tarmiel from turning into water here

 

[Deceived3596]

Estarossa used darkness to stop Tarmiel from shifting after absorbing the commandment of truth. Even sariel states his darkness stop tarmiel from turning into water here

Do you know what chapter number this feat happen in? It'll help me reach a better conclusion if i have more context about the feat.

 

[Majinere566]

Do you know what chapter number this feat happen in?

Like 264-265 I think

 

[speedster352]

Do you know what chapter number this feat happen in? It'll help me reach a better conclusion if i have more context about the feat.

Chapter 262 to 265

 

[Deceived3596]

It happen in Chapter 264.

So from what's shown Estarossa wrapped Darkness around Tarmiel's body which negated his ability to liquefy his own body to negate physical attacks.

This honestly seems to be just regular Power Nullification more than E.I negation to me given the context but either would work in my opinion as well.

So either regular Power Nullification through Darkness or E.I negation through Darkness, don't really care which is chosen personally.

 

[speedster352]

It happen in Chapter 264.

So from what's shown Estarossa wrapped Darkness around Tamriel's body which negated his ability to liquefy his own body to negate physical attacks.

This honestly seems to be just regular Power Nullification more than E.I negation to me given the context but either would work in my opinion as well.

So either regular Power Nullification through Darkness or E.I negation through Darkness, don't really care which is chosen personally.

Also the archangels resist power nullification on their profiles so it could even be resistance negation

 

[Deceived3596]

Also the archangels resist power nullification on their profiles so it could even be resistance negation

Nothing really implies it to be Resistance Negation, it'll just be a higher/layered form of Power Nullification.

 

[speedster352]

Nothing really implies it to be Resistance Negation, it'll just be a higher/layered form of Power Nullification.

Resistant to the following: Power Nullification, Mind Manipulation, Age Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Petrification, Curse Manipulation (Was granted the Divine Protection of the Supreme Deity)

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Have the NNT Demons ever showcased the following from Unholy Manipulation?

Unholy Manipulation is the power to control and generate energies, elements, objects and entities that have been deemed hellish, demonic or unholy, forces that are connected with demons, evil spirits and anti-gods. The opposed power to Holy Manipulation.

Possible Uses

Empowerment: Users obtain inhuman levels of strength, speed, stamina, and even increase one's mental and spiritual capabilities by being empowered by evil entities. Few users can even become a vessel for a greater evil.

Thaumaturgy: Call upon the power of demons and devils through prayer and rituals, and perform "miracles".

Summoning: Synchronize the power with lesser unholy entities, either for combat purposes, induce curses or possessing others.

Corruption: Turns the purest soul and twist the clearest mind by inducing sin and vice into the heart. Some times, converting beings into demons, devil or other types of evil spirit its possible.

Sin Manipulation: Amplify the inner evil of other beings.

Energy/Elemental Manipulation: Generate, shape and control the innate energies, elements, and matter innate from the depts of hell, such hellfire, faust water, cursed earth, and corrupted light, as there's no element that can't be considered unholy. Due to their esoteric nature, these forces may be capable to directly affect the soul of the target, ignoring conventional durability and protections.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Resistant to the following: Power Nullification, Mind Manipulation, Age Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Petrification, Curse Manipulation (Was granted the Divine Protection of the Supreme Deity)

Again as Deceived said

Nothing really implies it to be Resistance Negation, it'll just be a higher/layered form of Power Nullification.

And didn't Estarossa try to do the same thing to Escanor? The only reason it didn't work is because Escanor was stronger which is the reverse against Tamriel?

 

[speedster352]

Have the NNT Demons ever showcased the following from Unholy Manipulation?

They manipulate darkness, Hellblaze and they can corrupt others through their blood. they can possess others and are considered the opposite of the goddess clan. They can produce miasma that can cause ailments to others.

 

[Deceived3596]

And didn't Estarossa try to do the same thing to Escanor? The only reason it didn't work is because Escanor was stronger which is the reverse against Tamriel?

idk personally, haven't read NNT since a year ago and only have read it once so my knowledge about the series isn't that great.

 

[speedster352]

idk personally, haven't read NNT since a year ago and only have read it once so my knowledge about the series isn't that great.

Actually the anime is better just watch out for season 2 animation

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

idk personally, haven't read NNT since a year ago and only have read it once so my knowledge about the series isn't that great.

Estarossa was trying to null Escarnor's Sunshine with his Power of Darkness, and was more or less successful for a few seconds until Escanor powered up even more and burned away Estarossa's Darkness.

While against Tamriel, Estarossa had a power up from absorbing a Commandment that made him as strong or stronger than Tamriel, where when he used his Darkness he nulled Tamriel's intangibility (A Sub-Ability from his Grace IIRC).