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Who besides Meliodas and Lancelot would benefit from this?
What inconsistencies?
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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread
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Ban and King should be upgraded to 5C+
Currently we treat chaos as 5-A, and as something separate from Arthur's base, (which is Low 5-B) however, we treat hits received by chaos (which acts to protect Arthur) as if they were made by this same base of Arthur, i.e. Low 5-B hits.
This does not make sense.
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I will also suggest treating 4KOTA Meli as more powerful than EOS Meli.
Demon_Lord18
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Meliodas in NNT should definitely be 5-C+, he is 10x stronger than Zeldris who could hurt Mael
Could you add Gelda to the CRT? She withstood an attack from Dahila, which left Zeldris unconscious for a while.
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This does make sense since Chaos Arthur didn’t have Excalibur so he would vaguely be close to his self with full power plus Excalibur.
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Will you pass this along? I've gathered a lot of supporting evidence based on Meliodas and the Demon King's fight, but I'm missing something more solid. If you have it pass it on to me please.
Sure, pass me this too.
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Arthur base, Lancelot and Meliodas should be closer to chaos power than they are currently, a Low 5-B would be annihilated by a 5-A hit.
Arthur with Excalibur/full power and Meliodas with the marks should increase their level from the current chaos.
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I get what your saying but Excalibur make Arthur exponentially stronger so with Excalibur he solidly 5a and without it he is possibly 5a but I agree with a slight upgrade for Meliodas and Lancelot.
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Zeldris imbues his sword with magic and doesn't even scratch Dahlia's armor, but Meliodas could break that same armor with his bare hands.
Here and here
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The level of chaos does not change when it has and when it does not have Excalibur, it is always 5-A. I don't think we consider that chaos drops in level when it doesn't have Excalibur, since the minimum level of chaos comes from the multiplication of the final attack in NNT.
We are not talking about Lancelot and Meliodas receiving blows from Arthur’s base, if not that they endured blows of chaos without consciousness itself.
It is the same problem of the current scale, Arthur with Excalibur is immensely more powerful, yes. But we are not scaling Meliodas and Lancelot to Arthur himself, but to the chaos that protects him.
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Arthur furthermore does not seem to be so much farther on his own than the level of his own chaos, given that his base faces Meliodas and Lancelot.
So I propose this:
Meliodas>Lancelot>= Chaos (since they took little damage)>Arthur Base
I further propose that Excalibur not only increase Arthur's base power, but also the power of Chaos, that makes more sense.(Unless there is something in the story that says otherwise, but I don't remember).
Then:
Full Power Arthur >=< DM Meliodas>Meliodas base>Lancelot>=Caos>Arthur Base.
What do you think?
So I propose this:
Meliodas>Lancelot>= Chaos (since they took little damage)>Arthur Base
I further propose that Excalibur not only increase Arthur's base power, but also the power of Chaos, that makes more sense.(Unless there is something in the story that says otherwise, but I don't remember).
Then:
Full Power Arthur >=< DM Meliodas>Meliodas base>Lancelot>=Caos>Arthur Base.
What do you think?
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Very well, we consider that Zeldris scales to 94.5 or 189 Exatons?
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I think 37.8, but he can hurt the Sage of Lamentations who is made of that thing DK used to hurt the post-purgatory Ban, so maybe it's a little lower than 189, but I don't know.
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I see, I'll leave it for later then.
I'm putting everything on this sandbox, you can take a look, I'll finish everything in a few hours. If you have a comment, or do not agree with something we can discuss it before I finish.
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If Zeldris is between 37.8 and 189 Exatons, maybe we should put it as "at least" at 94.5¿ since it seems stronger than this, but not at 189?
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Maybe it works, but I don't know.
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I disagree with scaling Base Meliodas to 100% DK, it would cause a lot of inconsistenciesI see, I'll leave it for later then.
I'm putting everything on this sandbox, you can take a look, I'll finish everything in a few hours. If you have a comment, or do not agree with something we can discuss it before I finish.
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Edit: You forgot the TMF
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Yeah, I've been thinking about it for a while, but with his mark it still seems to me superior to the Demon King level.
The most logical thing seems to be to divide by 4 to Zeldris' x10.
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I took a look and if zeldris scales to 189 Exatons, Meliodas would have 1,89 Zettatons
If base Meliodas equals 100% DK, Demon Mark Meliodas would scale to 1.5 Zettatons
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L5-B? Ic
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So it is quite similar to the end, it is supported by several things within the plot, but to what extent does it contradict others?
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Yes.
Meliodas says he should have removed Chaos from Arthur 16 years ago, maybe this will serve as support
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Why do we even scale Chaos to the combo attack again?
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That works if.
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Don't we already do it? Isn't that the reason for 5-A?
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The fight against the Supreme Divinity
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We do. I just think it’s gonna bring loads of inconsistencies
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Meliodas wanted to spend time with Zeldris from the beginning, can we assume he held back to let Zel fight with him? I don't quite remember CBL.
Or just PIS?
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Why?
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Maybe, I'm not clear on how the other sins scale to Meliodas and Lancelot exactly. I think Ban scale and maybe King? Idk
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Meliodas tried to overcome the Supreme Divinity's barrier with his magic-imbued weaponry, but he couldn't, from the look on his face, he wasn't holding back.
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I think he is referring to the scale with other characters and "the sin level”.
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I think this should only affect Meliodas and Lancelot
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Maybe PIS then?
There are several sources of support for the former in the manga, and later statements. I think the case for the supreme deity is the inconsistent one and not the other way around.
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I think it is best to do so until more information is available
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Thinking about it, the Supreme Deity barrier issue is inconsistent even with the current scale, as it puts meliodas at less than 10x the 50% of the Demon King, so it seems much more inconsistent than the other.
Seems like a case of Plot Induced Stupidity to me.
Seems like a case of Plot Induced Stupidity to me.
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Chaos has no conscience, it attacks to defend itself, it cannot contain itself.
Besides Arthur was surprised that Lancelot survived, so it is normal for Chaos to attack to kill, since logically it has no other way to attack.
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But actually, there is a quite obvious problem, actually two:
1- pages such as Lady of the Lake do not have an updated version of the combo of the sins, they still maintain the previous one that marks Multi-Continent levels.
2- The updates to the EOS sins, will significantly affect the combo calculation, as currently, we have them at less than half of the new value.
I propose to pull the thread with the changes to the sins in EOS, then make a new thread with the new combo calculation and this will also have the updates to TMF/DK Meli, since it scales close to this combo, and the 4KOTA updates, which will be significantly affected by this.
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1- pages such as Lady of the Lake do not have an updated version of the combo of the sins, they still maintain the previous one that marks Multi-Continent levels.
2- The updates to the EOS sins, will significantly affect the combo calculation, as currently, we have them at less than half of the new value.
I propose to pull the thread with the changes to the sins in EOS, then make a new thread with the new combo calculation and this will also have the updates to TMF/DK Meli, since it scales close to this combo, and the 4KOTA updates, which will be significantly affected by this.
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