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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

Thanks for sharing the interview, truth be told I already had my issues with the current scale of Meliodas, being that it seems to me that his base should be stronger than what we currently have, as well as a couple of issues with True Magic which should be maybe 5-A.

For starters, as they posted above, Meliodas is the stronger sin, and if I remember correctly, that has been said in 4KOTA as well, plus the statement that he is superior to Arthur, there is no reason to think this is just with their multipliers, as during their matchup they were even, and there was no way there was a x4 difference even though neither of the 2 were giving it their all. Besides it was only when Tristan got in that he had to use the 2 mark, but this was because now in addition to fighting he had to protect his idiot son.

In addition there is the statement that he is superior to Lancelot who faced Arthur's base without complications.

Regarding the True Magic Form, (which by the way is written in his profile as "Possibly 5-C instead of the direct 5-C that has its base, this is curious) it is said in his profile: "Zeldris described his power as 'well beyond' Demon King, though which form he's referring to is unknown;"

But this is a bit strange, to begin with, supporting Zeldris' statement, we have that to destroy curses one must have a magic power at least at the level of the Deity and the King, And we have it to justify Merlin's level 5-C: Reactivated Elizabeth's resurrection curse, the creation and destruction of which requires power at least equal to Demon King and Supreme Deity.

This means that we accept that merlin's magical power must be similar to that of the deities for a feat that not only does TMF Meli also have, but also has supporting statements of being far superior to the Demon King.

Statement coming from a Zeldris who had just seen the magical power of his father by possessing Brittania.

Adding to all this, some time ago and if I remember correctly, the author stated that the magical power of Meliodas' TMF was close to the mother of chaos, who kept all the power of chaos.

For all this, Meliodas' base should go higher, at least Low 5-B as we have now to Arthur's base, and the True Magic Form should be at least Low 5-B being above the Demon King Brittania, and maybe 5-A, if I remember correctly the author's statements from years ago.

If I got something wrong tell me, but what do you think?
 
Meli_Tempest said:
Thanks for sharing the interview, truth be told I already had my issues with the current scale of Meliodas, being that it seems to me that his base should be stronger than what we currently have, as well as a couple of issues with True Magic which should be maybe 5-A.

For starters, as they posted above, Meliodas is the stronger sin, and if I remember correctly, that has been said in 4KOTA as well, plus the statement that he is superior to Arthur, there is no reason to think this is just with their multipliers, as during their matchup they were even, and there was no way there was a x4 difference even though neither of the 2 were giving it their all. Besides it was only when Tristan got in that he had to use the 2 mark, but this was because now in addition to fighting he had to protect his idiot son.

In addition there is the statement that he is superior to Lancelot who faced Arthur's base without complications.

Regarding the True Magic Form, (which by the way is written in his profile as "Possibly 5-C instead of the direct 5-C that has its base, this is curious) it is said in his profile: "Zeldris described his power as 'well beyond' Demon King, though which form he's referring to is unknown;"

But this is a bit strange, to begin with, supporting Zeldris' statement, we have that to destroy curses one must have a magic power at least at the level of the Deity and the King, And we have it to justify Merlin's level 5-C: Reactivated Elizabeth's resurrection curse, the creation and destruction of which requires power at least equal to Demon King and Supreme Deity.

This means that we accept that merlin's magical power must be similar to that of the deities for a feat that not only does TMF Meli also have, but also has supporting statements of being far superior to the Demon King.

Statement coming from a Zeldris who had just seen the magical power of his father by possessing Brittania.

Adding to all this, some time ago and if I remember correctly, the author stated that the magical power of Meliodas' TMF was close to the mother of chaos, who kept all the power of chaos.

For all this, Meliodas' base should go higher, at least Low 5-B as we have now to Arthur's base, and the True Magic Form should be at least Low 5-B being above the Demon King Brittania, and maybe 5-A, if I remember correctly the author's statements from years ago.

If I got something wrong tell me, but what do you think?
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Didn't meliodas loose his tmf when he used it to destroy the commandments?
 
Delta3000 said:
Didn't meliodas loose his tmf when he used it to destroy the commandments?
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He is still in his Post-purgatory key, regardless of whether in 4KOTA he has it or not.

Here I am talking about 2 improvements, the improvement in his base level, and the improvement of the true magic form for his post-purgatory key.
 
Meli_Tempest said:
He is still in his Post-purgatory key, regardless of whether in 4KOTA he has it or not.

Here I am talking about 2 improvements, the improvement in his base level, and the improvement of the true magic form for his post-purgatory key.
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Fair enough
 
Meli_Tempest said:
He is still in his Post-purgatory key, regardless of whether in 4KOTA he has it or not.

Here I am talking about 2 improvements, the improvement in his base level, and the improvement of the true magic form for his post-purgatory key.
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Are you going to make the crt?
 
Meli_Tempest said:
For all this, Meliodas' base should go higher, at least Low 5-B as we have now to Arthur's base, and the True Magic Form should be at least Low 5-B being above the Demon King Brittania, and maybe 5-A, if I remember correctly the author's statements from years ago.
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5-A For Demon King Meliodas it's impossible, Arthur is a little above the baseline
 
From what I remember, it's not called TMF anywhere, but the closest thing we have to something official (Grand Cross) calls that form "Demon King".

We should change TMF to Demon King in his profile
 
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Demon_Lord18 said:
5-A For Demon King Meliodas it's impossible, Arthur is a little above the baseline
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At least 5-B+? If Arthur is just slightly above baseline, I think baseline 5-A may also work, it depends on the exact words of the interview which I can't remember now, I'll see if I can find it.
 
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Things I've already found:

1- Meliodas deflected the spear so that it would not hit Gilthunder.

2- Ludociel can also create a dimension, it would be completely made of light.

3- Meliodas is the strongest sin
 
Meli_Tempest said:
Adding to all this, some time ago and if I remember correctly, the author stated that the magical power of Meliodas' TMF was close to the mother of chaos, who kept all the power of chaos.
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Q.364 メリオダスの闘級って今いくらなのでしょうか? PN、千田さん(岡山県)

●:ホークママに迫る勢いでしょうか。

Q.364 What is Meliodas' current combat class? PN: Senda-san (Okayama Prefecture)

●: Is it approaching Hawk's Mama.
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
Things I've already found:

1- Meliodas deflected the spear so that it would not hit Gilthunder.

2- Ludociel can also create a dimension, it would be completely made of light.

3- Meliodas is the strongest sin
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4-Merlin who created the Albions (This is good to prove that the Ark doesn't only work on demons)

5- Gowther's self-destruction could annihilate matter within a 10 mile radius (possible existential erasure)

6- Hawk is immune to the magic of goddesses and demons, as well as their miasma.
 
Demon_Lord18 said:


Q.364 メリオダスの闘級って今いくらなのでしょうか? PN、千田さん(岡山県)

●:ホークママに迫る勢いでしょうか。

Q.364 What is Meliodas' current combat class? PN: Senda-san (Okayama Prefecture)

●: Is it approaching Hawk's Mama.
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So I think the 5-A baseline may work, still a little below Arthur, but close enough.
 
This is a thought I just had, but given how superior that form of Meliodas is to the Demon King, couldn't he also get 4-A with creation just like Arthur, The Demon King and the Deity?

Opinions?
 
speedster352 said:
Make a crt real quick
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No, we'll wait until the CRT to speed up the verse.

Majinere566 said:
Maybe try calcing this one

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I made a rough calculation and got 0.18c. The value may be higher or lower, depending on the distance the cocoon is from the ground.

Edit: I found a better scan than the one I used to find out how far the cocoon is from the ground.
 
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Zezu1995 said:
seems like alot , we might get one more with monspeet/galand outpacing ark balls expanding but idk whos gonna do it
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I was going to do one of Monspiet leaving the Ark before being affected, but it would be FTL, so it would outlier

Bad Ludociel who limits mid tiers to a maximum of relativistic+
 
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This calculation has been accepted, why aren't we using it?
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Diane lifting strength

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Is anyone willing to recalculate this? If not, I can try to calculate it later
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Galand's Speed Calc - Updated Edition

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Sealed base Meliodas: 0.01c (Sub-Rel)
Demon Meliodas; 0.02c (Sub-Rel)
Galand: 0.04c (Sub-Rel)
Unsealed DM Meliodas: 0.16c (Rel)
Post-revival DM Meliodas: 0.64c (Rel+)
 
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Gowther jumps from the light

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This calc has been accepted, I think it's consistent for a character like Gowther who gets Sub-Relativistic - Relativistic.
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Sealed base Meliodas: 0.01c (Sub-Rel)
Demon Meliodas; 0.02c (Sub-Rel)
Galand: 0.04c (Sub-Rel)
Unsealed DM Meliodas: 0.16c (Rel)
Post-revival DM Meliodas: 0.64c (Rel+)
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Can it be merged by this scaling?
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
Is anyone willing to recalculate this? If not, I can try to calculate it later
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Galand's Speed Calc - Updated Edition

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Done
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Galand escaped from TP

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Faa_Tzy said:
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Gowther jumps from the light

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This calc has been accepted, I think it's consistent for a character like Gowther who gets Sub-Relativistic - Relativistic.

Can it be merged by this scaling?
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This calculation would be consistent with the Galand calculation I made.

Sealed base Meliodas: 0.01c (Sub-Rel)
Demon Meliodas; 0.02c (Sub-Rel)
Galand: 0.053c or 0,055c (Sub-Rel+) If my calc of Galand is accepted, he will escalate to it, if not, we can downgrade it from
Unsealed DM Meliodas: 0.223c (Rel)
Post-revival DM Meliodas: 0.90c (Rel+)
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
Sealed base Meliodas: 0.01c (Sub-Rel)
Demon Meliodas; 0.02c (Sub-Rel)
Galand: 0.053c or 0,055c (Sub-Rel+) If my calc of Galand is accepted, he will escalate to it, if not, we can downgrade it from
Unsealed DM Meliodas: 0.223c (Rel)
Post-revival DM Meliodas: 0.90c (Rel+)
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Most of the commandments will have speed Rel
 
Imo, this (Gowther calc) can be used as an optional or second calculation to prevent inconsistencies(well hopefully not). Instead, it'll support your Galand calc that the average mid-high tiers character will get sub-rel to rel+.
i wonder if the calculation in nnt will be like bc or not, having a main and secondary calculation.
 
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