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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

Faa_Tzy said:
Imo, this (Gowther calc) can be used as an optional or second calculation to prevent inconsistencies(well hopefully not). Instead, it'll support your Galand calc that the average mid-high tiers character will get sub-rel to rel+.
i wonder if the calculation in nnt will be like bc or not, having a main and secondary calculation.
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If my calc is accepted, we can do this
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
We would need something to scale Ironside to FTL, without it we won't get FTL+, only if some ADM accepts Fiddich's quote
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« Are we sure that it’s not an hyperbole » is the only argument against the SOL statement.

Here are sites standards to PROVE hyperboles.
A hyperbole is a term that refers to statements made in a particular work of fiction that are exaggerations of the actual truth of the matter. Often hyperboles are used as evidence in debates, and it can be very difficult to tell if a statement is a hyperbole or not.

A general rule is that if a claim is made that is completely out of league of anything ever shown in said universe (for example, if someone claimed to be a planet buster in a verse where the strongest feats were city busting), it's most likely a hyperbole.
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Is SOL completely out of league of anything shown in NNT ?

Of course not:
Ludociel have at least SOL movement speed and FTL combat speed inside a vessel that weakened him a lot.

Zeldris ON already have FTL+ rating despite the calc being a lowball

We have ARK straight beams moving at SOL

Characters as slow as Gowther are 22% SOL

Tamdhu a Chaos knight that could dodge Gowther’s arrow for a bit was completely blitzed by Fiddich.

In universes with a wide range of characters on different tiers of power (such as Marvel and DC), this has to be evaluated on an individual character basis, instead of on the verse as a whole.

For example, if someone in One Piece claimed that they could destroy an island, it's reasonable to consider it a possibility, since other people in the verse (ex. Whitebeard) have done comparable things (of course, it still has to be evaluated based on the feats and power-scaling of the actual character).

On the other hand, if someone said Spider-Man could destroy a star, it's unreasonable to think this is true despite the fact that Herald - level characters and above in Marvel have done so, because Spider-Man is established as being on a lower tier than such characters.
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Fiddich is shown to be a high tier among Chaos knights being the leader of an elite troop, he outclassed anyone he encountered speed wise the only exception being Lancelot that’s among the top 3 of the verse (btw Lance barely had time to save Percy from getting beheaded which adds up to the SOL argument)
Another way of determining whether a statement is a hyperbole or not is to consider the likelihood that a character was misinformed, ignorant, lying, exaggerating, bluffing, mentally unstable, etc. when they made said statement. If there is not any evidence that they were, it can be taken more seriously. Of course, this method isn't as accurate as the feat scaling method above, and should only be relied upon if the first method doesn't give any clear answers.
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It’s an author statement.

Regarding 50 and 100% Pellegarde

Limiting your physicals to 50% of what they should be is halving your stats.

We cited instances where the strength stats were reduced or amped and speed was increasing/decreasing linearly.
 
soo i got a theory ... what if lance was being empowered by the lady of the lake . going by legends isnt she like his "protector" or something
 
Meli_Tempest said:
For all this, Meliodas' base should go higher, at least Low 5-B as we have now to Arthur's base, and the True Magic Form should be at least Low 5-B being above the Demon King Brittania, and maybe 5-A, if I remember correctly the author's statements from years ago.
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To support this idea, Meliodas base blocked a Chaos attack and is superior to Lancelot, who received a Chaos attack without taking damage.

The argument that Chaos was holding back makes no sense, as he acted on instinct, and no one would hold back when their host's life is at risk.

Base Meliodas 5-B?
 
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I was researching and possibly found a way to calculate the size of the demon world, but I would need the distance to the horizon.
 
i made the point of mel tanking chaos attack same with lance, and got a bunch of " was that attack at full power" nonsense lol , they say anything to avoid nnt getting high tier
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
I was researching and possibly found a way to calculate the size of the demon world, but I would need the distance to the horizon.
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We barely get to see anything about the world itself but maybe try rewatching the beginning of Cursed by Light to find something
 
Majinere566 said:
We barely get to see anything about the world itself but maybe try rewatching the beginning of Cursed by Light to find something
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Unfortunately it doesn't work

it's impossible to know the distance to the horizon without the planet's radius.

I could try a rule of 3, since it is not possible to see the curvature of the planet in the scan, and Nakaba does not miss the chance to show the curvature of the planet. Later I will add the scan

The image is completely covered by miasmas, but we can see the body of the Behemoth and it is straight (there seems to be no curvature) and from the height we were at, we should see the Planet like this: Scan will be added later, I'm on my cell phone right now
 
Hello guys. Long time ago I saw some one saying TMF Meliodas was effecting not Britania, but dimension itself. Is it true or can u atleast say where i can reread that thread
 
SupremeBaka said:
Hello guys. Long time ago I saw some one saying TMF Meliodas was effecting not Britania, but dimension itself. Is it true or can u atleast say where i can reread that thread
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I personally believe that it was affecting the whole planet, but the whole dimension? That's crazy
 
dk said , he wont last in this mortal plane , now while he obv meant planet... they only showed britinna cuz thats where the plot is . either way those old feats no longer matter tbh
 
Idk, I feel like plane is far greater than planet. However, is there scale for Ragnarok characters? I just finished chapter with world of dead, so I wonder, where would they scale?
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
Unfortunately it doesn't work

it's impossible to know the distance to the horizon without the planet's radius.

I could try a rule of 3, since it is not possible to see the curvature of the planet in the scan, and Nakaba does not miss the chance to show the curvature of the planet. Later I will add the scan

The image is completely covered by miasmas, but we can see the body of the Behemoth and it is straight (there seems to be no curvature) and from the height we were at, we should see the Planet like this: Scan will be added later, I'm on my cell phone right now
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Doing a cross-multiplication, I get 9777.75km for the length of Behemoth
 
Demon_Lord18 said:
Unfortunately it doesn't work

it's impossible to know the distance to the horizon without the planet's radius.

I could try a rule of 3, since it is not possible to see the curvature of the planet in the scan, and Nakaba does not miss the chance to show the curvature of the planet. Later I will add the scan

The image is completely covered by miasmas, but we can see the body of the Behemoth and it is straight (there seems to be no curvature) and from the height we were at, we should see the Planet like this: Scan will be added later, I'm on my cell phone right now
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Demon World Size

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Majinere566 said:
Damn, if that gets accepted we will have to redo the earth quake feat
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The end using the length of the Behemoth gave 4.985 Zettatons (Small Planet)

It may be possible to use only the length of Behemoth as the radius of the planet for a minimum estimate. The result of the earthquake would be 549.142 Exatons (Small Planet)
 
wouldnt it be best to wait till the anime shows the behemoth better that way we can use that ?
 
Does anyone here have the oficial translation of chapter 319? I am already working on the thread.

I thought it would only affect Meliodas, but it looks like more characters will benefit.

Also, there are a couple of inconsistencies with chaos that I need to address.
 
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