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This started as a re-scaling of Meliodas and ended up affecting all the God levels of the verse, lol.
Well, at least some of them
Well, at least some of them
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Do what you think is bestBut actually, there is a quite obvious problem, actually two:
1- pages such as Lady of the Lake do not have an updated version of the combo of the sins, they still maintain the previous one that marks Multi-Continent levels.
2- The updates to the EOS sins, will significantly affect the combo calculation, as currently, we have them at less than half of the new value.
I propose to pull the thread with the changes to the sins in EOS, then make a new thread with the new combo calculation and this will also have the updates to TMF/DK Meli, since it scales close to this combo, and the 4KOTA updates, which will be significantly affected by this.
Feedback?
I disagree, Excalibur was made by the Lady of the Lake and served only as a key to unleash Chaos. It's not like Arthur depended on it to be 5-A.I get what your saying but Excalibur make Arthur exponentially stronger so with Excalibur he solidly 5a and without it he is possibly 5a but I agree with a slight upgrade for Meliodas and Lancelot.
I don’t agree with this. He only went to Liones to test the 4 knights, why would he go to liones full power?
Meliodas was in Liones, so there was no reason to go with a sword far inferior to ExcaliburI don’t agree with this. He only went to Liones to test the 4 knights, why would he go to liones full power?
His main goal was to test them, he definitely accounted for Meliodas still being there and decided to still go with his other sword, Excalibur is being saved for something big and is definitely the stronger weaponMeliodas was in Liones, so there was no reason to go with a sword far inferior to Excalibur
I'm not saying Excalibur isn't superior, I'm saying the weapon Arthur used isn't that inferior.His main goal was to test them, he definitely accounted for Meliodas still being there and decided to still go with his other sword, Excalibur is being saved for something big and is definitely the stronger weapon
Scaling Meliodas to 1.89 Zettatons would create too many inconsistencies, it's better to scale him to at least 378 ExatonsI see, I'll leave it for later then.
I'm putting everything on this sandbox, you can take a look, I'll finish everything in a few hours. If you have a comment, or do not agree with something we can discuss it before I finish.
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If he went there full power I think 4kota would’ve lasted at most 80 chapters…I don’t agree with this. He only went to Liones to test the 4 knights, why would he go to liones full power?
Yes, Chadiodas would humiliate himIf he went there full power I think 4kota would’ve lasted at most 80 chapters…
Sounds good, but maybe this Supreme Deity thing isn't a PIS? After receiving magic from SD, Dahlia could resist Zeldris' attack amplified by 10xI have finished
What do you think? Anything you would like to comment on before publishing it? And could you do me a favor and check the dramatics? I am particularly bad with English
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Me tooI am particularly bad with English
Ah? If so, then I can delete it.Sounds good, but maybe this Supreme Deity thing isn't a PIS? After receiving magic from SD, Dahlia could resist Zeldris' attack amplified by 10x
Maybe this should just scale to the durability of the Supreme Deity and Dahlia?
Edit: We already accept that your barrier is 10x more durable than it
Without the barrier, its durability should already be 756 ExatonsAh? If so, then I can delete it.
I don’t agree with some of the contents of this at allI have finished
What do you think? Anything you would like to comment on before publishing it? And could you do me a favor and check the gramatic? I am particularly bad with English
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Can you explain?I don’t agree with some of the contents of this at all
SureCan you explain?
Meliodas in his base state was not afraid to confront Ultimate Escanor, and warned him that if he wanted to fight alone, to force him off if he could. Which supports the idea that Meliodas in his base state is more powerful than the rest of the sins.
Meliodas had trouble fighting him in a stronger face. He instantly needed to go to Demon Mark Mode in order to actually contend with The Demon King( he got overpowered right after and dealing no damage at all). So how would a stronger version of Meliodas whilst holding back perform worse than base Meliodas while holding back? This counter argument made zero sense.This is not entirely true, we are told repeatedly throughout the fight that both Meliodas and the rest of the sins are holding back, as their goal is to free Zeldris, not kill him.
- Meliodas had trouble fighting Demon King Zeldris in a weaker phase, his base should not scale to the power of his form at 100%.
No. First of all let me address a common misconception, The One Ultimate is an extension of the Regular The One. As stated by king “How is he able to maintain the One past one minute?”Full King Wings:
Tier: At least 5-C
Attack Power:
At least Moon Tier+ (Superior to The One Escanor, was able to consistently damage and engage 100% of Demon King Zeldris.
Post-Purgatory Ban
Tier: At least 5-C
Attack Power:
At least Luna Level+ (Superior to The One Escanor, was able to consistently engage and damage 100% of Demon King Zeldris).
Ok, I think there was a misunderstanding here, I'll rephrase that: For Meliodas at base to have such an attitude against The One Ultimate it is not possible for the difference between the two to be more than x4.Sure
In addition to this, as evidence of support:
This is just a massive reach. Nowhere is it implied that Meliodas could take on The One Ultimate in base. It was a simple confrontation between allies, not only that it’s massively illogical to assume he can take on an entity that bulled the Prime Demon King, the same demon King that low diffed Base Meliodas.
This is simply blatantly false, and contradicts both history and what we currently accept in the wiki.No. First of all let me address a common misconception, The One Ultimate is an extension of the Regular The One. As stated by king “How is he able to maintain the One past one minute?”
Not only that but as stated by The Demon King himself, “
I commend you. I never knew there was a human who could hold his own as an equal against me...” Whilst just recently fought Ban. A human. And the fact that he praises Escanor as an Equal immediately puts him above the rest of the sins including Demon Mark Meliodas
Are you really thinking of scaling Meliodas Base above 100%DK?Ok, I think there was a misunderstanding here, I'll rephrase that: For Meliodas at base to have such an attitude against The One Ultimate it is not possible for the difference between the two to be more than x4.
I'm not saying that Meliodas on base sweeps with Sins at this point, (that's blatantly obvious from looking at the scale conclusions), it simply supports the idea that Meliodas on base is pretty close to the level of the rest of Sins.
It should be somewhere between greater and less than 100%, if we are talking about just his fight, it would probably be somewhere below, but when considering the x10 between 4 of the feat in CBL it seems greater.Are you really thinking of scaling Meliodas Base above 100%DK?
Given meliodas's performance against 50% SD during CBL AM meliodas is weaker than or comparable to 50% DK.It should be somewhere between greater and less than 100%, if we are talking about just his fight, it would probably be somewhere below, but when considering the x10 between 4 of the feat in CBL it seems greater.
I think it might be fair to assume that his power has been increasing? Or else simple inconsistency on Nakaba's part.
Apparently that is due to an extremely high barrier and durability, as DemonLord commented above.Given meliodas's performance against 50% SD during CBL AM meliodas is weaker than or comparable to 50% DK.
Her barrier was likely designed to defend against destroyer buffed weapons from the DK/someone equal to her in power. If meliodas is as strong as you are suggesting SD's barrier would have to be like 60-120X her normal durability.Apparently that is due to an extremely high barrier and durability, as DemonLord commented above.
That is nothing more than speculation, the supreme deity seems to simply have a durability far greater than its own attack potency.Her barrier was likely designed to defend against destroyer buffed weapons from the DK/someone equal to her in power. If meliodas is as strong as you are suggesting SD's barrier would have to be like 60-120X her normal durability.
Inconsistent how?
Do you know what is the definition of an extension? An extension by definition isThis is simply blatantly false, and contradicts both history and what we currently accept in the wiki.
To begin with, The One in his base state, fought as equals with the Demon King, however when he entered the Ultimate state, he humiliated and stomped him as if he were nothing.
Secondly, Nakaba himself recognizes it as a stronger state, since he mentions that "With the Ultimate state Escanor is stronger" meaning that only by burning his life Escanor overcomes Ban and King, and not with the regular state.
Third, this comes directly from his profile:
higher as The One (Tradedblows with and harmed Full Power Demon King Zeldris[20]), even higher as The One Ultimate (Overpowered Full Power Demon King Zeldris[21])
How does this relate to the The One and The One Ultimate?a part that is added to something to enlarge or prolong it; a continuation.
The only reason why The Ultimate One was able to land multiple hits at once was due to the fact that the Demon King was stuck in him(pause) as opposed to going Blow for Blow with the regular One whilst maintaining similar levels of damage inflicted on the Demon KingTo begin with, The One in his base state, fought as equals with the Demon King, however when he entered the Ultimate state, he humiliated and stomped him as if he were nothing.
Sure... we consider equal the form that exchanged blows and bled with the Demon King's blows and to the form that barely flinched from them.Do you know what is the definition of an extension? An extension by definition is
How does this relate to the The One and The One Ultimate?
1. As stated prior it’s literally him maintaining the One past it’s standard 1 minute.
2. Instead of The One’s Power coming from Sunshine he’s sacrificing his Life Force instead to maintain The One, which fits the definition of what extension means.
The only reason why The Ultimate One was able to land multiple hits at once was due to the fact that the Demon King was stuck in him(pause) as opposed to going Blow for Blow with the regular One whilst maintaining similar levels of damage inflicted on the Demon King
You know there’s a difference of power for the demon king when he’s reluctantly trying to set himself free and doesn’t even get a full swing of a punch and resorting to half swings barrages vs Actually full swinging on Escanor right?Sure... we consider equal the form that exchanged blows and bled with the Demon King's blows and to the form that barely flinched from them.
As you said hereThis borders on the absurd, and why are you giving me dictionary definitions? What does The One Ultimate being a time extension of The One have to do with what I'm saying? Does that make my argument incompatible? It doesn't support yours much either, being called an extension of time just means that, an extension of time and is not related to increasing or decreasing power directly
As response to my extension point, when you assumed my argument meant that I was insinuating that they are equal levels of power.This is simply blatantly false, and contradicts both history and what we currently accept in the wiki.
To begin with, The One in his base state, fought as equals with the Demon King, however when he entered the Ultimate state, he humiliated and stomped him as if he were nothing.
The One Ultimate has a different name, Nakaba refers to this specific form state in the interview, there is no reason to think that they are weaker than the normal The One state since it is implied that they are only weaker than that specific form of Escanor.I'm not even saying they should be considered equal levels of power as it’s clearly not, I was setting up a point about how The One Ultimate is an extension of The One incase you decided to bring up Nakaba’s interview
Then why the hell... you know what, forget it. It doesn't matter.As you said here
As response to my extension point, when you assumed my argument meant that I was insinuating that they are equal levels of power.
No one implied this by the way.The One Ultimate has a different name, Nakaba refers to this specific form state in the interview, there is no reason to think that they are weaker than the normal The One state since it is implied that they are only weaker than that specific form of Escanor.
Because saying it’s blatantly false is you being blatantly falseThen why the hell... you know what, forget it. It doesn't matter.
“By the way, at this point, except for Meliodas, who is the strongest of the [Seven Deadly Sins]?No one implied this by the way.
Bruh?Because saying it’s blatantly false is you being blatantly false