Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

[Lormac_CC]

So which is it? Does The Ruler Absorb Magic or is Magic its Weakness?

It absorbs and converts magic, stuff like healing, it converts to damage

 

[Zezu1995]

PM me if you want. I could also tell you about the plans I have.

hmm do i wanna do this tonight i wonder... hmm ima see

 

[ByAsura]

Like I said, I don't mind.

 

[ByAsura]

Just a question, but why is DK's creation feat in his second key? He created the Demon World before the demons.

 

[Zezu1995]

i ned yall help real fast.. before i sleep did we ever calc ludos casual ark beam? (anime version)

https://gyazo.com/068a5f8e155b5f1de881245f40e03449

 

[Rabbit2002]

Just a question, but why is DK's creation feat in his second key? He created the Demon World before the demons.

Idk, i think it should put in his full power key, because he created the realms in the past before the holy war

 

[ByAsura]

I tried and got Mach 51-ish in the manga.

 

[Zezu1995]

no not the speed the AP

 

[ByAsura]

Idk, i think it should put in his full power key, because he created the realms in the past before the holy war

Sorry, I was confusing the keys from memory. It's fine as it is.

no not the speed the AP

I got Town level. But that was a long time ago. It's very, very hard to get an actual reading on this feat.

 

[Lormac_CC]

So does the Demon king scale to the final attack

 

[speedster352]

Sorry, I was confusing the keys from memory. It's fine as it is.

I got Town level. But that was a long time ago. It's very, very hard to get an actual reading on this feat.

You can use this video for the speed calculations

 

[ByAsura]

I'll have to look into the claim that Gowther's arrows are light.

 

[speedster352]

I'll have to look into the claim that Gowther's arrows are light.

Use the data book and light novel

 

[ByAsura]

I'm using the panel he gave.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So does the Demon king scale to the final attack

With The Ruler I think because the Sins' had to nullify it first before hitting Britannia DK with Nemesis

 

[speedster352]

I'm using the panel he gave.

It's from the data book

 

[ByAsura]

Ok, so here's the important text.

瘡蓋の記憶(リライト・ライト)
魔力消費量:★★
神器から光の魔力を放ち、撃たれた者の記 憶を一時的に改竄する催眠術のような技。

ゴウセルの身体に埋め込ま れ、腕から発現する光の弓 矢。瘡蓋の記憶、などの一 斉掃射が可能になる。光とはいえ実体は存在して おり、武器による相手の攻撃 を受け止めることもできる。

I've already done some inaccurate preliminary translations, and it's basically stated that Gowther fires hard light (that rewrites light?).

IIRC, mini Diane with a power level comparable to Meliodas dodged these. She then does the same in a later chapter when her PL is 15,000.

Edit: He calculated it. I'll try it myself once these translations are fully confirmed.

 

[speedster352]

Ok, so here's the important text.

瘡蓋の記憶(リライト・ライト)
魔力消費量:★★
神器から光の魔力を放ち、撃たれた者の記 憶を一時的に改竄する催眠術のような技。

ゴウセルの身体に埋め込ま れ、腕から発現する光の弓 矢。瘡蓋の記憶、などの一 斉掃射が可能になる。光とはいえ実体は存在して おり、武器による相手の攻撃 を受け止めることもできる。

I've already done some inaccurate preliminary translations, and it's basically stated that Gowther fires hard light (that rewrites light?).

IIRC, mini Diane with a power level comparable to Meliodas dodged these. She then does the same in a later chapter when her PL is 15,000.

Edit: He calculated it. I'll try it myself once these translations are fully confirmed.

Yeah, they are verbatim said to be light speed same for goddess clans light magic which monspeets says are made of light particles.

 

[ByAsura]

That depends on whether or not light with a physical presence is light-speed.

 

[speedster352]

That depends on whether or not light with a physical presence is light-speed.

Read the data book then

 

[ByAsura]

I did. That's the whole point of this.

Not the whole book, mind you, but just what this youtuber is giving as evidence.

 

[speedster352]

I did. That's the whole point of this.

Not the whole book, mind you, but just what this youtuber is giving as evidence.

Do you agree then?

 

[ByAsura]

Like I said, it depends on whether or not hard light can be considered light-speed.

But, Gowther's arrows do oscillate from tangible to intangible, so maybe we can scale the intangible form.

 

[speedster352]

Like I said, it depends on whether or not hard light can be considered light-speed.

But, Gowther's arrows do oscillate from tangible to intangible, so maybe we can scale the intangible form.

I agree

 

[Ah_Gou]

How is the lady of the lake only country level when she absorbed an attack combined of 6 sins (Gowther's was hax based) 2 of which are island level on their own (Ban,King) and 2 being large island (Escanor, Meliodas) AND ALL THIS MULTIPLIED by 729 (Meliodas Full Countered the attack 6 times which means 3*3*3*3*3*3=729)

 

[Lormac_CC]

How is the lady of the lake only country level when she absorbed an attack combined of 6 sins (Gowther's was hax based) 2 of which are island level on their own (Ban,King) and 2 being large island (Escanor, Meliodas) AND ALL THIS MULTIPLIED by 729 (Meliodas Full Countered the attack 6 times which means 3*3*3*3*3*3=729)

I don't know, I am not a maths guy but we just went with the attack leveling Britannia. I do believe it can be higher thought

 

[Lormac_CC]

The ruler would likely scale to the lady of the lake

 

[Ah_Gou]

I don't know, I am not a maths guy but we just went with the attack leveling Britannia. I do believe it can be higher thought

That's a disgusting lowball. Britania was obviously the low end of what the attack was going to do.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Britania was obviously the low end of what the attack was going to do.

Agree with this, is there anyway we could calculate the AP that their combined attack amp by full counter would produce

 

[Rabbit2002]

The Lake has a limitless source of magic, should her stamina is infinite ?

 

[Ah_Gou]

Melidoas= 100
Escanor= 100
Ban= 25
King= 25
Diane= 4
Merlin= 4
For a total of 258 GT, multiplied by 729 due to full counter's multiplier (I counted 6 Full Counters) is 188.082 GT which converts to 188.08TT (according to some google converter i found). I'm not a calc guy but you don't need a calc guy for a feat like this. Take away 258GT from the final result due to the Demon King getting hit (The very first attack without a single counter was going to kill him) and there you have it, Large Country level.

 

[Lormac_CC]

The Lake has a limitless source of magic, should her stamina is infinite ?

The limitless, my scan says endless. Yeah that should be valid,

 

[speedster352]

@ByAsura how is the calc crt going?

 

[ImposingTiger]

How is the lady of the lake only country level when she absorbed an attack combined of 6 sins (Gowther's was hax based) 2 of which are island level on their own (Ban,King) and 2 being large island (Escanor, Meliodas) AND ALL THIS MULTIPLIED by 729 (Meliodas Full Countered the attack 6 times which means 3*3*3*3*3*3=729)

Actually, more than 10 times.

 

[Ah_Gou]

Actually, more than 10 times.

Yeah I don't really see more than 6 times but you're welcome to provide proof, it's going to bump the calc even more.

 

[Aether2734]

Yeah I don't really see more than 6 times but you're welcome to provide proof, it's going to bump the calc even more.

I remember counting it 7 times in the manga but it's different in the anime version which is more than 10 times

 

[Ah_Gou]

Yeah it was countered 7 times in the manga, my bad i missed one. The anime version isn't gonna pass here unfortunately.
Now the multiplier is 2187 so final result is 564TT which is still Large Country but on the high end.

 

[Zezu1995]

guys wouldnt meliodas limit for FC also be country or do we not do things like that? cuz i notice a long time ago people used to scream "nlf" but full counter only weakness was reaction of the user

 

[ImposingTiger]

Yeah I don't really see more than 6 times but you're welcome to provide proof, it's going to bump the calc even more.

one, two, three, four, five, six, seven (pay attention to the small picture), eight.

Sorry, it was 8.

These are my personal ratings, not the ones on the wiki:

Diane: At least 6-C (damaged the Chimera Indura).
King: At most High 6-C (damaged Prime DK Zeldris).
Ban: At most High 6-C (damaged Prime DK Zeldris).
Merlin: At most High 6-C (slightly damaged Prime DK Zeldris).
Escanor: At least High 6-C (stomped Prime DK Zeldris).
Meliodas: At least High 6-C (comparable to The One Ultimate).

It's the initial attack times 6561, if we lowball it to be 300 Gigatons , the result is 1.98 Petatons. Yes, easily Continental.

 

[ImposingTiger]

guys wouldnt meliodas limit for FC also be country or do we not do things like that? cuz i notice a long time ago people used to scream "nlf" but full counter only weakness was reaction of the use

FC doesn't increase speed.