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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

ByAsura said:
I don't think he is either. Like I said, he had to concentrate his Sunshine for that to happen. Either way, not having Rhitta can't be construed as an amp, and having Rhitta isn't his normal level of power for physical attacks.

Him damaging Meliodas had way more to do with the fact that he'd become The One.

Anyway, the original point was more that there's very little difference between this supposed 10x amp and what DK could do just with his fists. It just doesn't make all that much sense.
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Rhitta Escanor couldn’t break ON and his sacred treasure almost got wrecked by ON so can ON be a multiplier? Also when king enchanted his spear it doubled that of an Albion
 
speedster352 said:
Just add it to your crt
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No. It doesn't constitute an upgrade.
VsReferee said:
Ludo did it with his hand, zeldris after his sword melted, Mael created rotating blades, Meliodas created his own weapon and cut the DK. He also covered his body in darkness and used it as armor against Helbram in S1. Meliodas son can do it, Perceival did is without having to train for it
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I'm fine with going case-by-case, but absolutely no to this.

Enchanting hands is not an amp. You need to imbue a weapon for an exponential boost that increases its destructive force 2 to 3 or 10 fold. Percival could enchant his own fists since chapter 3, but that obviously wasn't an exponential amp if he didn't know anything about it until the Cernunnos fight.

Making weapons, like Darkness swords, also wouldn't count because it's just their own magic.
speedster352 said:
Also when king enchanted his spear it doubled that of an Albion
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Who says it's because of an enchantment? King always draws out the power of the Sacred Tree, he's just releasing his Sacred Treasure and drawing upon more to increase the strength of his general techniques.
speedster352 said:
Spear of judgement imbues his magic power and amps the spear as it could lightly harm 3c Mael
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That's not proof. It's always imbued no matter what, and Form One is stronger than his other techniques in general.

Anyway, this is getting tiresome. Leave this discussion for later so we can thoroughly go case-by-case.
 
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ByAsura said:
No. It doesn't constitute an upgrade.

I'm fine with going case-by-case, but absolutely no to this.

Enchanting hands is not an amp. You need to imbue a weapon for an exponential boost that increases its destructive force 2 to 3 or 10 fold. Percival could enchant his own fists since chapter 3, but that obviously wasn't an exponential amp if he didn't know anything about it until the Cernunnos fight.

Making weapons, like Darkness swords, also wouldn't count because it's just their own magic.

Who says it's because of an enchantment? King always draws out the power of the Sacred Tree, he's just releasing his Sacred Treasure and drawing upon more to increase the strength of his general techniques.

That's not proof. It's always imbued no matter what, and Form One is stronger than his other techniques in general.

Anyway, this is getting tiresome. Leave this discussion for later so we can thoroughly go case-by-case.
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How would the case-by-case thing work?
 
Basically, we review each amp for each character, and we can also see if it reasonably scales to someone else's strength/durability.
 
Not unless Escanor’s attacks are 15 million degree spheres of hydrogen.

Also, it doesn’t seem like the calc is currently on those profiles.
speedster352 said:
Can I make the discussion thread for the multipliers then?
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If you want, but it’d be extremely disruptive and destroy the case-by-case approach. So I’d strongly prefer if you just didn’t or at least hold off.
 
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ByAsura said:
Not unless Escanor’s attacks are 15 million degree spheres of hydrogen.

Also, it doesn’t seem like the calc is currently on those profiles.

If you want, but it’d be extremely disruptive and destroy the case-by-case approach. So I’d strongly prefer if you just didn’t or at least hold off.
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We agreed that Escanor sunshine is 5x the heat of the sun by a large margin
 
The surface. The core is 3,000x hotter than the surface.

Anyway, is this calc even accepted? It’s not on the profiles, and I can’t see wiki comments.
 
They wouldn’t even get close without breaking wiki rules.

Anyway, you’d also need to prove that any Cruel sun is a sphere of solar gasses that undergoes continuous fusion.
 
ByAsura said:
No. It doesn't constitute an upgrade.

I'm fine with going case-by-case, but absolutely no to this.

Enchanting hands is not an amp. You need to imbue a weapon for an exponential boost that increases its destructive force 2 to 3 or 10 fold. Percival could enchant his own fists since chapter 3, but that obviously wasn't an exponential amp if he didn't know anything about it until the Cernunnos fight.
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Thx for showing the scans. It proves exactly that it shouldnt be a problem to apply these multipliers to some of the top tiers as well. As a possibility that they can use it. This, because:
  1. Perceival could use magic like Ludo, Meliodas etc did
  2. Lance calls Percy an amateur
  3. Tadaa Percy combined them
Top tiers are more skilled than maybe even Lancelot. Otherwise the top tiers are amateurs.

I understand doing this discussion later
 
VsReferee said:
Thx for showing the scans. It proves exactly that it shouldnt be a problem to apply these multipliers to some of the top tiers as well. As a possibility that they can use it. This, because:
  1. Perceival could use magic like Ludo, Meliodas etc did
  2. Lance calls Percy an amateur
  3. Tadaa Percy combined them
Top tiers are more skilled than maybe even Lancelot. Otherwise the top tiers are amateurs.

I understand doing this discussion later
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I‘m not contesting the applicability, I’m saying you need a weapon for it to be an amp.
speedster352 said:
The graces are literal to their names
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They aren’t. They’re allegories to the Book of Genesis.

Flash, for example, isn’t an actual flash of light (as there was during the world’s creation in Genesis), but it’s comparable in speed.
 
ByAsura said:
I‘m not contesting the applicability, I’m saying you need a weapon for it to be an amp.

They aren’t. They’re allegories to the Book of Genesis.

Flash, for example, isn’t an actual flash of light (as there was during the world’s creation in Genesis), but it’s comparable in speed.
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Ah okay, what would Meliodas tier be with 2x, 3x and 10x weapon enchantment?
 
Depends on which form and which chain gets accepted. But it’s in the Continent level range for some.
 
ByAsura said:
No. More like Country.

Also, I believe Sunshine is actually Sun in the raws. But I could be misremembering.
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So if a continental character survives their FC destroyer enchanted attack will they be multi continental? What is the final ap of Meliodas and zeldris combined destroyed enchanted attack?
 
ByAsura said:
Not unless Escanor’s attacks are 15 million degree spheres of hydrogen.

Also, it doesn’t seem like the calc is currently on those profiles.

If you want, but it’d be extremely disruptive and destroy the case-by-case approach. So I’d strongly prefer if you just didn’t or at least hold off.
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I can make it case by case and we can decide before the scaling chain is accepted so its a win win
 
speedster352 said:
So if a continental character survives their FC destroyer enchanted attack will they be multi continental? What is the final ap of Meliodas and zeldris combined destroyed enchanted attack?
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No, and (possibly) Continent+ if you add Mel and Zel together and include the infinity boost.

Also, it’s not destroyer enchanter, it’s one or the other.
speedster352 said:
I can make it case by case and we can decide before the scaling chain is accepted so its a win win
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No offence, but your track record suggests you’ll just crank everyone up to 11.

Anyway, make it if you really want.
 
ByAsura said:
No, and (possibly) Continent+ if you add them together.

No offence, but your track record suggests you’ll just crank everyone up to 11.

Anyway, make it if you really want.
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What does that mean? What about a character high into continental surviving their FC destroyer enchantment attack would that be multi-continental?
 
Aether_ said:
I think this information need to be put in verse page

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So people who read it doesn't confused how multiplier come
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According this, i realize that maybe different between destroyer and echanter is
Destroyer type = use natural/unnatural force as amplification attack and give 10x stronger than before
For example (?) : meliodas can imbue his hellblaze darkness to his hands to give amp punch like when he kill fraudrin, or escanor concentrate his sunshine to his hand
Echanment type = same but imbue to weapon or item not directly to physical
 
And it said a human (i am sure this not directly to human but all civizilation clan) can possess two or even four type magic in rare occasion, so if one character that shown has both of destroyer or echanter type,it wouldn't be anti feats due it seems both overlap each other
 
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