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Flickering the Lights in Glass' House (Castlevania Downgrades, 1/???)
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Alright, I'm back from my small break.
@Chariot190 Yeah and the lore with how dracula's soul and Soma's magic are one and the same with literally every single instance of souls empowering others with magical strength like in Grimoire of Souls where their ability to increase the stats of certain characters through magic is the evidence.
It never said that the other monsters cannot do it, that's the specific gimmick of the imp that it creates a special realm to attack, plus affecting magic isn't exclusive to that when anyone with curse/darkness powers can drain the magic of others. Plus the entire point of Dracula's castle being a spiritual world and stated numerous times to literally be his magic incarnate alongside everything in the world having magical essence through the glyphs is the proof that it's Universal.
The glyphs example is the most blatant example so you're just dodging around all of the main arguments that was used for the argument that it cross scales.
So you admit that they're both still spiritual attacks at the end of the day? Thanks for that
No I want people to actually pay attention to the arguments on why this cross scales in the first place. You admitting that this is indeed some form of soul hax but you questioning why everyone for some reason scales to this is just not paying attention to the main arguments on why this is universal to the series. That's literally how UES works and we have numerous examples of such.
It literally does when the game translates spiritual damage for the Imps to their magic being destroyed. Put two and two together, the magic and one's soul is the same because why else would spiritual damage be targeting magic and not the normal health pool? Everything else is evidence this cross scales because this is treated as a common thing in the franchise. This is no different than with DMC on how devil arms are capable of damaging the soul with explicit evidence of such or GoW with magic being tied to the soul and how they're treated as universal across different pantheons despite not being spoonfed that literally every single monster in either franchise can do so.
Those two different types of attacks are still labeled as spiritual attacks, meaning they still have one thing in common, they target someone spiritually, so this isn't specific to one move or the other.
How exactly would it be a weakness of the ability when you literally need to GoW QTE out of the attack? The most blatant in game example of resisting an ability that someone tries to do to affect you? Them breaking out of it by mashing out would imply they broke out of it through resisting its influence rather than it just being a weakness.
Yeah so you haven't played Grimoire of Souls because there's literally a basic type of zombie that can do this, they literally have those coated with dark magic that can curse and drain your magic. This also goes to literally every other monster that has some form of dark magic as darkness translates to curse (and in the lore it's literally from dracula's castle that they get this dark magic) which causes this in the first place.
It literally does, Dracula's soul and Soma's magic being the same, Dracula's castle being the manifestation of his magic and being stated to be a spiritual world, alongside everything in grimoire of souls with the weapon lore on souls enhancing magic and magic being directly tied to one's stats and the glyphs lore where everything and everyone in existence has magical essences in their very being is the evidence that this cross scales. This entire time you're arguing that it's tied to specific individuals and not everyone else when the imps, dracula's castle, soma's soul, grimoire's lore and everything about glyphs is why this is something common, The stuff with the imps and Magnus is the most blatant example of such.
I'm not even arguing about resistances, I'm arguing that his actual power is literally tied to his spiritual attacks, something literally described and blatantly stated to **** with a random vampire's soul.
If it's being contested where's the arguments about the glyphs or the nature of dracula's magic and the soul or the spiritual world stuff among many other things? You're not tackling the UES you're only tackling a subclass of examples where it's in your face that spiritual strikes is tied to magic.
@Chariot190 Yeah and the lore with how dracula's soul and Soma's magic are one and the same with literally every single instance of souls empowering others with magical strength like in Grimoire of Souls where their ability to increase the stats of certain characters through magic is the evidence.
It never said that the other monsters cannot do it, that's the specific gimmick of the imp that it creates a special realm to attack, plus affecting magic isn't exclusive to that when anyone with curse/darkness powers can drain the magic of others. Plus the entire point of Dracula's castle being a spiritual world and stated numerous times to literally be his magic incarnate alongside everything in the world having magical essence through the glyphs is the proof that it's Universal.
The glyphs example is the most blatant example so you're just dodging around all of the main arguments that was used for the argument that it cross scales.
So you admit that they're both still spiritual attacks at the end of the day? Thanks for that
No I want people to actually pay attention to the arguments on why this cross scales in the first place. You admitting that this is indeed some form of soul hax but you questioning why everyone for some reason scales to this is just not paying attention to the main arguments on why this is universal to the series. That's literally how UES works and we have numerous examples of such.
It literally does when the game translates spiritual damage for the Imps to their magic being destroyed. Put two and two together, the magic and one's soul is the same because why else would spiritual damage be targeting magic and not the normal health pool? Everything else is evidence this cross scales because this is treated as a common thing in the franchise. This is no different than with DMC on how devil arms are capable of damaging the soul with explicit evidence of such or GoW with magic being tied to the soul and how they're treated as universal across different pantheons despite not being spoonfed that literally every single monster in either franchise can do so.
Those two different types of attacks are still labeled as spiritual attacks, meaning they still have one thing in common, they target someone spiritually, so this isn't specific to one move or the other.
How exactly would it be a weakness of the ability when you literally need to GoW QTE out of the attack? The most blatant in game example of resisting an ability that someone tries to do to affect you? Them breaking out of it by mashing out would imply they broke out of it through resisting its influence rather than it just being a weakness.
Yeah so you haven't played Grimoire of Souls because there's literally a basic type of zombie that can do this, they literally have those coated with dark magic that can curse and drain your magic. This also goes to literally every other monster that has some form of dark magic as darkness translates to curse (and in the lore it's literally from dracula's castle that they get this dark magic) which causes this in the first place.
It literally does, Dracula's soul and Soma's magic being the same, Dracula's castle being the manifestation of his magic and being stated to be a spiritual world, alongside everything in grimoire of souls with the weapon lore on souls enhancing magic and magic being directly tied to one's stats and the glyphs lore where everything and everyone in existence has magical essences in their very being is the evidence that this cross scales. This entire time you're arguing that it's tied to specific individuals and not everyone else when the imps, dracula's castle, soma's soul, grimoire's lore and everything about glyphs is why this is something common, The stuff with the imps and Magnus is the most blatant example of such.
I'm not even arguing about resistances, I'm arguing that his actual power is literally tied to his spiritual attacks, something literally described and blatantly stated to **** with a random vampire's soul.
If it's being contested where's the arguments about the glyphs or the nature of dracula's magic and the soul or the spiritual world stuff among many other things? You're not tackling the UES you're only tackling a subclass of examples where it's in your face that spiritual strikes is tied to magic.
