Flickering the Lights in Glass' House (Castlevania Downgrades, 1/???)

[Theglassman12]

yes it is a power when he can kill monsters that constantly regenerate and revive in the middle of combat when Soma needs to casts magic seals on them to beat them, that’s textbook immortality negation. Soma even comments that it shouldn’t be possible but he does.

 

[Armorchompy]

yes it is a power when he can kill monsters that constantly regenerate and revive in the middle of combat when Soma needs to casts magic seals on them to beat them, that’s textbook immortality negation. Soma even comments that it shouldn’t be possible but he does.

A different kind of immortality negation, which is to say basically a completely different power. (And as far as I know they cannot "revive", they just get some health back)

... Or he's just damaging them faster than they can heal, which is what he's actually saying rather than something that could potentially be taken as maybe being possibly implied by the statement. Regeneration has a limit, if you vaporize someone with Low-Mid and they die that isn't regen negation, it's a limit of the regen. Soma thinks it isn't possible because he isn't strong enough to do it. Hell the statement is "I can't beat Dario because I don't have magic seals", which would make literally no sense if he could negate his immortality through some other means equal to the seals, the only feasible way to interpret this is "Julius doesn't have the ability to negate regeneration, he just doesn't need it against most enemies because he can overwhelm it through sheer AP."

 

[DragonZeroNova]

I'm not sure how relevant this is for the Julius argument, but I think it's important to note that just because Julius can do something doesn't mean anyone else can, especially since Julius has been stated multiple times to be the strongest vampire hunter (Which is even accepted on his profile). In other words, even if it isn't AP and is the same kind of hax, I don't think we can automatically give it to other people.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Armorchompy These creatures of chaos have godly levels of regeneration on their page, no amount of AP overwrites godly levels of regeneration. Plus Soma's comparable to Julius by this point and he still needs to use the magic seals to stop these monsters who are exposed to darkness/chaos which is making them immortal, why are you pushing this AP argument when at no point is this ever backed up in the source material?

@DragonZeroNova I'm bringing this up because Armor keeps claiming that permanently killing these monsters is somehow not a thing in the franchise in general despite the fact we have numerous examples of such case happening. Whether or not this is only a Julius thing doesn't change the fact that he still killed creatures that are immortal through chaos and darkness.

 

[DragonZeroNova]

I don't feel like voting on any of these, but I do think if Julius does have negation, it should only be Julius. As for whether or not he does have it, I could see Julius having it based on his own feats. At the very least, it is a bit more likely compared to just being an AP feat. I just disagree with it being scaled to every vampire hunter. (Note: This is only in regards to hunters being able to permamently kill monsters using Julius's feats to scale, nothing else.)

 

[Armorchompy]

@Armorchompy These creatures of chaos have godly levels of regeneration on their page, no amount of AP overwrites godly levels of regeneration. Plus Soma's comparable to Julius by this point and he still needs to use the magic seals to stop these monsters who are exposed to darkness/chaos which is making them immortal, why are you pushing this AP argument when at no point is this ever backed up in the source material?

He literally says he destroyed them before they could reconstitute. He doesn't say he destroyed them in such a way that would prevent them from reconstituting, he doesn't say he utilized magic to negate the reconstitution, he very clearly says the word BEFORE, meaning that if he hadn't destroyed them they would be CAPABLE of reconstituting from his attacks. This isn't something you can argue over, it is the objective, factual, unmistakable meaning of his words. So actually, I think it's pretty damn backed up by the source material.

I don't care if you have cobbled together a Frankenstein's monster of reasoning for the monsters having High-Godly that happens in secondsor whatever by crossing together ten different pieces of media's statements and I'm not even saying it's wrong, but it is not something that changes the fact that as far as Dawn is concerned, a monster's regeneration can be overwhelmed by destroying them fast and hard enough. Whether this means that they take a lot longer than that for the High-Godly to kick in or something else entirely I don't care, I will not allow you to twist such an obvious statement into meaning the opposite of what it does based on what you perceive to be more important evidence than what is actually being said.

You've completely failed to address my argument that if Julius could negate the regeneration, he wouldn't bring up his lack of sealing as a problem in fighting Darius, by the way.

@DragonZeroNova I'm bringing this up because Armor keeps claiming that permanently killing these monsters is somehow not a thing in the franchise in general despite the fact we have numerous examples of such case happening.

We also have maybe literally ten times as many examples of bosses killed by the Vampire Killer showing up again, so I'm not sure how you reconcile that with your opinion. Haven't addressed that either, btw.