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Fist of God vs He Who Would Swallow God (Garou vs Father)

In relation to LordGinSama saying Garou has nothing that Father can't counter.
Regeneration levels that Garou can't bypass, that regeneration being soul based, and 50 million in nature. Soul Manipulation that works on masses instantly, Alchemy which Garou doesn't resist nor can he copy them due to Alchemy stemming from a 4-D in nature.
So how does it work? From everything I've seen it's touch based.
For Scar, Father has shown to copy it and used it against Scar with a thought without movement.
 
It's instant, as I said Father was interrupted by Van Hohenheim before he could rip the souls out.
Are speaking about Van Hohenheim shooting the projectile at Father during the soul suck?
Radiation doesn't affect regeneration that is spiritual, he isn't recovering from atoms or matter, his regeneration is based on the amount of souls he has. He dies once and he revives with his soul stock, which is 50 million souls.

Also Radiation doesn't destroy matter such as atoms, Radiation effects cells which causes them to stop and die.
I agree.
 
Are speaking about Van Hohenheim shooting the projectile at Father during the soul suck?
Yes, Van Hohenheim attacked him before Father finished gathering their souls. Van Hohenheim is also the same guy who can return souls back into their vessels as that's how he countered Father's nation level soul rip.


Garou sadly doesn't really have win cons here that he can use to beat Father.
 
Regeneration levels that Garou can't bypass, that regeneration being soul based, and 50 million in nature. Soul Manipulation that works on masses instantly, Alchemy which Garou doesn't resist nor can he copy them due to Alchemy stemming from a 4-D in nature.
Can he survive in the vacuum of space or BFR into hyperspace?
For Scar, Father has shown to copy it and used it against Scar with a thought without movement.
Range?
 
Yes, Van Hohenheim attacked him before Father finished gathering their souls. Van Hohenheim is also the same guy who can return souls back into their vessels as that's how he countered Father's nation level soul rip.
But Father didn't instantly absorb their souls going by the panels. He was holding his hand up the entire moment while they continued to struggle. If it were instant they would slump to the ground dead before Van Hohenheim was able to "interrupt your meal" Going by Van's words.
 
But Father didn't instantly absorb their souls going by the panels. He was holding his hand up the entire moment while they continued to struggle. If it were instant they would slump to the ground dead before Van Hohenheim was able to "interrupt your meal" Going by Van's words.
Scroll up, we've went over this already.

Honestly it could take 3 hours and that still wouldn't change the fact that Garou has no options to counter his soul getting forcibly ripped from his body.
 
Scroll up, we've went over this already.

Honestly it could take 3 hours and that still wouldn't change the fact that Garou has no options to counter his soul getting forcibly ripped from his body.
We've indeed been over this. Van Hohenheim set up a counter transmutation circle to return souls to their bodies and Father was soul-sucking during that process iirc but what I'm asking is has there been an instance where the soul-sucking was instant?
 
How did this guy even lose in the story with instant soul manipulation, deconstruction, and 4-D level hax while always using the most optimal solution for his opponents?
Due to his arrogance mainly, he underestimated Van Hohenheim and Co which lead to him having most of his power ducked away, then the remaining power he obtained from God ended up revolting against him.
 
Due to his arrogance mainly, he underestimated Van Hohenheim and Co which lead to him having most of his power ducked away, then the remaining power he obtained from God ended up revolting against him.
So his arrogance clouded his judgment of his opponents and he intern didn't go with the most optimal solution. What would make him resort to using any instant gg no re hax at the start of the match?
 
So his arrogance clouded his judgment of his opponents and he intern didn't go with the most optimal solution. What would make him resort to using any instant gg no re hax at the start of the match?
He was arrogant because he knew Van Hohenheim and Co for years, he has no reason to do that with Garou due to not knowing him.


Plus the first attack would kill Father once, then he'd come back and hax him after realizing the AP gap. Or you know, feeling his power via his own Cosmic Awareness and proceeds to hax after seeing Garou is stronger.
 
For fairness, since Alchemy is effectively just a law of the universe in FMA, Garou may be able to copy it. I dunno if that matters since he has to at least see it happening a bit and Father probably rips his soul out pretty fast, but he may be able to
 
Gonna disagree on Garou being able to copy Alchemy as that would require Garou to have his own Gate of Truth, which he doesn't have. Also another reason why Garou wouldn't be able to copy Father's Alchemy is that Father's Alchemy requires souls to use, and Garou has never shown any sort of Soul Manipulation.


So the two things with that are that Garou doesn't have a Gate of Truth, and he wouldn't be able to utilize Father's Alchemy without buring up his own soul.
 
Oh yeah idk if the gate would get equalized but I guess he'd need to do Alchemy in the standard way that most Alchemists do at best which wouldn't really be enough here
 
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