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We avoid taking game mechanics 100% literally. And Newton's Third Law scales striking strength to durability unless every strike they throw also damages the attacker.
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Fire Emblem discussion thread 2: Hogwarts, but cooler.
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Yeah, I knew he was around country due to that, but also the fact it's widly different between scenes, wasnt sure. If we use that though, his ke would probably just straight up upgrade the verse, at least the god tiers.DarkDragonMedeus said:
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That aint why, relics kinda work a bit different than that. Plus we got a super clear upper limit for the entire cast in durability, like, straight up told the entire cast would of been killed, even Death Knight and Byleth, if the cast was hit. And only Rhea can tank said things and it put her on her ass for like a month and then some.DarkDragonMedeus said:
It's made self evident in lore, not the game play mechanics, that relics have their own ap apart from the wielders.
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Yes, I know the relics are similar concept to Divine Weapons and other Holy Weapons throughout the FE franchise. But a lot of those weapons also enhance durability when wielding them. I do recall one of the students considered Catherine to be the strongest person in all the knights of Seiros though. So I can agree she should inherently be well above Shamir with her Relic.
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But those weapons aren't relics, they arent even remotely close in concept (but thinking on it, it should scale to Rhea due to the nature of the relics). I can conceed that the relics can maybe amp the durability in some cases but it'd only be temporary.
Especially because the game makes it pretty clear, outside of game mechanics that that the cast's durability is far below the firepower of the relics. But that's also assuming all the relics have a similar power. If some are inherently weaker than others that could explain a lot, especially because we already know some relics are better than others.
Especially because the game makes it pretty clear, outside of game mechanics that that the cast's durability is far below the firepower of the relics. But that's also assuming all the relics have a similar power. If some are inherently weaker than others that could explain a lot, especially because we already know some relics are better than others.
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Except maybe like Falchion, it's kinda close to that in nature.
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Anything but Black Eagles. I did Golden Deer first. But Black Eagles, if I had to compare it to something, would be the routes in a vn you unlock after doing the first route, or even FE Revel.
It's basically the answer arc to the gold and blue question arc. Although you need to play all 3(technially 4) to learn of everything. Including why some things happen and why some units do certain things.
I mean if you dont plan on playing more than one path then you actually probably should play black but if you gonna do more than one than do it after gold or blue.
It's basically the answer arc to the gold and blue question arc. Although you need to play all 3(technially 4) to learn of everything. Including why some things happen and why some units do certain things.
I mean if you dont plan on playing more than one path then you actually probably should play black but if you gonna do more than one than do it after gold or blue.
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I cant get into it without huge spoilers. The reason why is a spoiler in and of itself.
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Black Eagles is also the one most reviewers recommend doing last; I know the primary reason people choose that one first is because they have the most attractive women between the three houses; Dorothea, Petra, Edelgard, ect. Plus Edelgard is basically a female Hector being overpowered compared to everyone else in gameplay. But two things is that it has the most complex story of the three, and as far as the whole party is concerned; it's considered the one hardest to manage.
Dimitri's route is the one recommended first for FE newcomers due to the well balanced party and almost everyone being at least pretty strong and durable. And also the simplest plot. Claude basically has a bunch of ranged characters which require a bit more strategy but otherwise fairly easy to get through if you know how to manage the party. And story is middle road between the two routes. Edelgard basically has a bunch of glass cannons. Edelgard and Ferdinand are the only tanks of the team; with Edelgard especially being the ultimate powerhouse. But everyone else is like magic oriented or in Caspar's case is strong offence, weak defence. And Petra is swift and decently strong, but not very durable.
Dimitri's route is the one recommended first for FE newcomers due to the well balanced party and almost everyone being at least pretty strong and durable. And also the simplest plot. Claude basically has a bunch of ranged characters which require a bit more strategy but otherwise fairly easy to get through if you know how to manage the party. And story is middle road between the two routes. Edelgard basically has a bunch of glass cannons. Edelgard and Ferdinand are the only tanks of the team; with Edelgard especially being the ultimate powerhouse. But everyone else is like magic oriented or in Caspar's case is strong offence, weak defence. And Petra is swift and decently strong, but not very durable.
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Also, keep in might that Emperor is only recruitable in her own route. Each route has at least one or two characters exclusive to their own routes. And this includes each of the heir to the thrones as well as their right hand supporters.
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I've heard reports that Hilda is recruitable in very spesific situations despite being a retainer. I've yet to confirm it on one of my playthroughs, so I don't know if it's true, or even intentional or an oversight. I've also heard conflicting reports about what paths and what steps are required for it to even happen.
So that's possibly on the table?
So that's possibly on the table?
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Hilda is a strange case and she's basically in the same boat as Catherine and a couple other Church of Serios characters. Basically recruitable in every route except for Edelgard's true route. Hilda is recruitable if you go with Rhea's route though.
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Dudue, Hubert, Edel, Dmitri and Claude are route specific.
Hilda is only recruitable if you play blue or gold, not black.
There's a few church units that you cant recruit depending on route but spoilers to say who and why.
Hilda is only recruitable if you play blue or gold, not black.
There's a few church units that you cant recruit depending on route but spoilers to say who and why.
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Plus picking Black Eagles may not even get you Edel in the end if you arent careful.
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@DragonMaster, also forgot to mention; where would the Death Knight be? High Tier alongside Seteth or Top Tier alongside Edelgard?
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He's very clearly above Seteth. He's probably in between top and mid tier, encroaching on top if not straight up at the bottom of top tier.
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Yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts as well. He's below Nemesis, Rhea, Flame Emperor, ect but far above Seteth or Katherine.
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Yeah, let me rewrite the list.
God Tier (Wherever she ends up): Prime Sothis
Top Tier (High 6-A): The Immaculate One
High Tiers (Likely High 6-A if accepted): Rhea, Weakened Sothis, Sothis fused Byleth, Post Time-Skip Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude, Hubert, Dedue and maybe Hilda, Seiros (not spoiling), Death Knight and Nemesis. Maybe Lysithea due to her dual crest. (If not, she's just a Low-Mid Tier)
Mid Tiers (At least 7-C, possibly higher): The Immovable, Pre-Timeskip Sothis fused Byleth, The Wind Caller, The Black Beast
Low-Mid Tiers (At least 7-C): Byleth, Seteth, Catherine, Alois, Jeralt, Post Timeskip Flayn, Beast, Post-Timeskip Cast (stronger than pre-timeskip), Shamir (The Immovable and The Wind Caller can go here if we think all the Saints should be equal and the Black Beast goes here if we consider the Saints and Elites equal. Although seeing as they are in stronger monster forms, I think they surpass Cichol (Not spoiling who Cichol is) and his daughter in power), Rodrigue, Gilbert, Post-Timeskip Bosses, Other Boss Monsters, TWSITD, Manuela and Hanneman.
Low Tiers/Normal Units (7-C): Bandit Dude, Lonato, Miklan, Pre-Timeskip students and Flayn.
God Tier (Wherever she ends up): Prime Sothis
Top Tier (High 6-A): The Immaculate One
High Tiers (Likely High 6-A if accepted): Rhea, Weakened Sothis, Sothis fused Byleth, Post Time-Skip Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude, Hubert, Dedue and maybe Hilda, Seiros (not spoiling), Death Knight and Nemesis. Maybe Lysithea due to her dual crest. (If not, she's just a Low-Mid Tier)
Mid Tiers (At least 7-C, possibly higher): The Immovable, Pre-Timeskip Sothis fused Byleth, The Wind Caller, The Black Beast
Low-Mid Tiers (At least 7-C): Byleth, Seteth, Catherine, Alois, Jeralt, Post Timeskip Flayn, Beast, Post-Timeskip Cast (stronger than pre-timeskip), Shamir (The Immovable and The Wind Caller can go here if we think all the Saints should be equal and the Black Beast goes here if we consider the Saints and Elites equal. Although seeing as they are in stronger monster forms, I think they surpass Cichol (Not spoiling who Cichol is) and his daughter in power), Rodrigue, Gilbert, Post-Timeskip Bosses, Other Boss Monsters, TWSITD, Manuela and Hanneman.
Low Tiers/Normal Units (7-C): Bandit Dude, Lonato, Miklan, Pre-Timeskip students and Flayn.
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I mean he's above even Byleth till the very end of the game, if cinemetatics are anything to go by. Despite clearly fighting Byleth at least once post Soth, he's like k see ya also watch out for icbm's. And then he's still expecting to beat kill his prey in the next battle without major issues, like even though he knows damn well how strong Byleth is and has seen him fight and probably just finished fighting him himself.
And that's only one route of death knight hype. In fact if I recall there's an offhand quote that kinda outright says he's above Catherine.
And that's only one route of death knight hype. In fact if I recall there's an offhand quote that kinda outright says he's above Catherine.
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I'd actually put Rhea down a tier, at least what would be her weakest key. She'd have two other keys though above that. In the high tier category.
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Lysithea is busted. She can very easily get like 5+ range on her magic. She's the real icbm.XitSign said:
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Thing is, Rhea is simply the same character already mentioned in High Tiers, just under a different name, hence why she's there.
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I'm going to go have some Sushi, so I'll be back in a bit.
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Crap, I forgot Manuela and Hanneman. They are Low-Mid Tiers as they should be near Byleth. Hanneman's mustache scales to Prime Sothis however.
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I know it's mostly PIS, but on the topic of Rhea, ever notice her battle record isn't actually all that great? She's clearly supposed to be powerful and skilled, her stats are fantastic and her focus skills are all A's, but after a while it started feeling like she was the designated jobber. In the paths I've played so far I don't think she's won a single fight she's gotten into.
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I know, it's just,Dragonmasterxyz said:
Hopefully my spoiler worked.
Edit: It didnt.
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| To be fair, most of the times she lost was due to TWSITD interference with the Javelins or she gets ganged up on. So in situations where she would win, she gets ****** over somehow. It's less jobbing and more that Rhea has terrible luck lol. |
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>javelins.
My face when fe was hyping up cool ass magic attacks then was like lol nope sci-fi.
My face when fe was hyping up cool ass magic attacks then was like lol nope sci-fi.
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Some of those losses do seem justified by the situation, yes.
...Losing to a handful of demonic beasts on the other hand, absolutely not. Pre-timeskip students were exterminating them by the handful, but four was too many? I smell plot convenience!Okay, maybe Bernie gunning down hawks left and right isn't a fair comparison, but still!
On that note: Bernie should get an upgrade, she's clearly pulling back her bowstring with power beyond any relics to land the hits she's landing.
...Losing to a handful of demonic beasts on the other hand, absolutely not. Pre-timeskip students were exterminating them by the handful, but four was too many? I smell plot convenience!
On that note: Bernie should get an upgrade, she's clearly pulling back her bowstring with power beyond any relics to land the hits she's landing.
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@Yobo
She's able to counter the javelin's of light with her attacks.
She's able to counter the javelin's of light with her attacks.
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Depends on what happens with the calc. I heard it was High 6-A so I basically went with that.
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DDM has more info tho.
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