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Final Fantasy Discussion Thread

Hmmm... Opera Omnia had slip my mind. There's also locations of Ivalice itself like Orbonne Monastery and Sky Fortress Bahamut. However, there are still places where there shouldn't be Mist, like the World of Darkness, the Rift and the Planet's Core.
Just finished watching a playthrough of Before Crisis. Is the game even canon? The protagonist Shotgun appears during the Nibelheim incident even though we see in Crisis Core that no other Turk was at the mako reactor during Zack's mission.

Also I could be wrong because I haven't played Rebirth, but Cissnei goes missing after entering the Planet's core to fight Zirconiade, and only re-appears at the epilogue. I heard she appears in Rebirth so that may be a contradiction?
Yeah, Before Crisis is a canon game. Aside some few inconsistencies it actually does fit in the overall events. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania actually has a section that openly decanonizes some entries of the Compilation, which it labels "Works outside of the Compilation", but only the Last Order ova and the Lost Episode Mobile Game of Dirge of Cerberus are in that list. Remember also that Shotgun is not the main character of Before Crisis, but rather a potential main character, you can choose among many different Turks, among them Cissnei, to play through the same story. Crisis Core kind of retroactively establishes that Cissnei was the main character of Before Crisis, but all the selectable Turks are canon characters that show up in the On the Way to a Smile novel.

The FFVII staff, more specifically Tetsuya Nomura, mentions that the differences between games regarding the Nibelheim Incident are because those are the versions of different people of the event. FFVII is Cloud's messed up memories of it, CC is Zack's and Before Crisis is the Player Turk's report. It's essentially a bad handwave, again Tetsuya Nomura and the others again covering their asses when it comes to retcons, inconsistencies and asspulls regarding the plots of their games, but it's the explanation given.

Cissnei popping up is not impossible, to be fair. Before Crisis takes place in the original timeline, while the Remake timeline mostly follows the original events very faithfully until the destiny break at the end of Remake, then things start to show bigger and bigger differences in more than one world.
 
Okay, does that mean Before Crisis is not part of Remake continuity?
I think it is in the same way Crisis Core is. Crisis Core Reunion is shot for shot faithful to the original PSP game, exact same plot, events, characters, locations, and all, the only differences are on the technical side (refined gameplay, updated graphics and a new voice cast). I think everything leading up to Remake itself remains the same as in the original continuity, but is in Remake itself where differences start to pop up given Sephiroth is already taking action to break free of predestined fate, but most importantly the battle in the Singularity when the Whisper Harbinger is destroyed and the course of the Planet is thrown off-rails.

EDIT: There's also some bits of Before Crisis acknowledged in Crisis Core Reunion (like in the original PSP), like Zack visiting Sebastian and Essai's tomb.

A weird analogy here but, the way I see it could be: think of the Compilation as a train line, you being in Before Crisis station, move past Crisis Core station, but before reaching Original Final Fantasy VII station, Sephiroth changes the course of the train and you end up in the nearby Remake station, it's not that far away but you can tell it's not Original Final Fantasy VII station, even if the surroundings are similar, but when the train is on the way to the next station, Sephiroth tricks the main party to blow up the engine and cause the train to fall off-rails, and now everyone has to walk who knows where, only being sure they won't be arriving at Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus stations.
 
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Hope people would be able to help Tarta out here.
 
Sooooo... added a pretty big list of feats on the calc request thread. I'm gonna leave them here as well if anyone has a spare minute and can help out with them, given how slowly the calc request thread moves:

Priority: 2 (Affects all characters in the low tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: Units can block/dodge lightning
Note: The above clip is from the War of the Lions version of the game on the PSP, which has a noticeable slowdown during battle animations. Here are the spells in proper speed in the original PSX version of the game. I made the clip above to show the character properly blocking the spell.

Priority: 2 (Affects all characters in the low tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: The Shockwave ability can rend the ground.
Note: PSX version clip. (Can LS be obtained from this as well?)

Priority: 2 (Affects all characters in the low tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: Blizzaga creates a large block of ice, which units can block.
Note: PSX version of the clip. (Maybe creating the ice block can be AP and blocking it be LS?)

Priority: 2 (Affects all the mid tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: Titan upheaves the battlefield.
Note: PSX version of the clip.

Priority: 2 (Affects all the mid tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: Leviathan creates a massive tidal wave that deluges the battlefield.
Note: PSX version of the clip.

Priority: 2 (Affects all the mid tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: Bahamut's Megaflare nukes the battlefield.
Note: The Megaflate is consistently described as a nuclear explosion in the Final Fantasy series. PSX version of the clip.

Priority: 2 (Affects all the mid tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: Meteor calls forth a large meteorite to crash into the battlefield.
Note: PSX version of the clip.

Priority: 2 (Affects all the mid tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: Dragoons perform massive jumps.
Note: Could be used as a Lifting Strength feat?

Priority: 1 (Affects all the high tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: The Astrologer's Celestial Stasis halts the movement of stars.
Note: Description of the ability and of the Astrologer itself and the Astrology Command.

Priority: 1 (Affects all the high tiers)
Verse: Final Fantasy Tactics
Feat: Ultima Demons chaotically move the stars in the sky with their Almagest ability.
Note: Statement detailing the ability. Can be used for Lifting Strength or Speed?

Finally got myself a PS5 and FFVII Rebirth so I can actually tackle that. Also trying Ever Crisis because why not.

Also decided to play FFXII, managed to get it for Switch a few days ago.
I'm still not sure at all how to handle the star ones here as they are just too weird visually to really decide how to know them out and the titan one is kinda really bad since he doesn't kick up all the stone at once and its just bit by bit so I figured it wouldn't really be helpful to you but otherwise I've done everything else here

Edit: Actually did think of 1 way to do the Astrologer's Celestial so I'll try that rq
 
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I'm still not sure at all how to handle the star ones here as they are just too weird visually to really decide how to know them out and the titan one is kinda really bad since he doesn't kick up all the stone at once and its just bit by bit so I figured it wouldn't really be helpful to you but otherwise I've done everything else here
Thanks a lot, dude! This helps like you wouldn't believe.

Titan, you fraud! I had my hopes on that particular Summon to be good for a solid tier 7 rating, but between Bahamut, Leviathan and Meteor should manage well enough. All the other calcs are impeccable.

I'll try asking around for help for the star feats to see if anybody knows how to tackle those. But, again, thanks for everything, dude.
 
Hello dose anyone here know the history of final fantasy? I'm currently looking around for any resource for it
 
Hello dose anyone here know the history of final fantasy? I'm currently looking around for any resource for it
Of which one? For the most part all of them aren't direct sequels to another
 
Just look at the titles of the games, they're all numbered in order of release. If you wanna throw spin offs into the mix then look up what year they released.
I thought that too...

Did you know they released F2 in the USA under the title FF1? And FF3 under the title FF2? And FF6 under the title FF3? Of course modern releases don't have this mess but it's mear existence is just aaaaaaaa
 
True, I'm trying to figure out what it would take to play the games in order none the less
If you mean chronological order then...well there is no chronological order. Unless some games have direct sequels to others like FF10 and 10-2, you can go into any game and understand it from start to finish without having played any of the others. So you can start literally anywhere.

If you mean numerical order, the first six games are all available on modern consoles and PC under the pixel remaster.
 
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I thought that too...

Did you know they released F2 in the USA under the title FF1? And FF3 under the title FF2? And FF6 under the title FF3? Of course modern releases don't have this mess but it's mear existence is just aaaaaaaa
It was a major mind screw when FFVII was first released, lol. From what I know, people were like "FFVII? Where the hell are IV, V and VI? How did we miss 3 titles in just 2 years?" before understanding the true numbering and going "Ooooooh"
 
Say, had to ask for some more stuff in the Calculations Thread. Still had many gaps with the scaling in Tactics and want to rely as little as possible on cross-scaling. If anyone can help much appreciated. Dale, BTW, I'm not pushing this into you or anything, you're the reason I've gotten stuff done on FF since 2022, and I really don't want to take you for granted.

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers, I think.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Belias creates a miniature sun.
Additional Info:

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: In the same sequence, Belias slams the ground splitting it and causing an eruption.

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Zalera creates a storm.

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Hashmal shoryukens through the earth and causes a massive eruption.

Priority 2: Scales to mid tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Cuchulainn drains the life/rots of a forest.

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Exodus calls a metorite, displacing clouds, blowing woods and causing a huge explosion..

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Chaos conjures a giant tornado.

Priority 1: Scales to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Ultima flies into space and fires her laser.
 
Say, had to ask for some more stuff in the Calculations Thread. Still had many gaps with the scaling in Tactics and want to rely as little as possible on cross-scaling. If anyone can help much appreciated. Dale, BTW, I'm not pushing this into you or anything, you're the reason I've gotten stuff done on FF since 2022, and I really don't want to take you for granted.

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers, I think.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Belias creates a miniature sun.
Additional Info:

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: In the same sequence, Belias slams the ground splitting it and causing an eruption.

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Zalera creates a storm.

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Hashmal shoryukens through the earth and causes a massive eruption.

Priority 2: Scales to mid tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Cuchulainn drains the life/rots of a forest.

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Exodus calls a metorite, displacing clouds, blowing woods and causing a huge explosion..

Priority 1: Scales to mid to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Chaos conjures a giant tornado.

Priority 1: Scales to high-tiers.
Verse: Final Fantasy XII (also affects Tactics)
Feat: Ultima flies into space and fires her laser.
Sure I can help still
 
Sure I can help still
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Once again I am in debt.
 
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