Final Fantasy Discussion Thread

[TartaChocholate]

Mist does exist in Dissidia's world though

Hmmm... Opera Omnia had slip my mind. There's also locations of Ivalice itself like Orbonne Monastery and Sky Fortress Bahamut. However, there are still places where there shouldn't be Mist, like the World of Darkness, the Rift and the Planet's Core.

Just finished watching a playthrough of Before Crisis. Is the game even canon? The protagonist Shotgun appears during the Nibelheim incident even though we see in Crisis Core that no other Turk was at the mako reactor during Zack's mission.

Also I could be wrong because I haven't played Rebirth, but Cissnei goes missing after entering the Planet's core to fight Zirconiade, and only re-appears at the epilogue. I heard she appears in Rebirth so that may be a contradiction?

Yeah, Before Crisis is a canon game. Aside some few inconsistencies it actually does fit in the overall events. The 10th Anniversary Ultimania actually has a section that openly decanonizes some entries of the Compilation, which it labels "Works outside of the Compilation", but only the Last Order ova and the Lost Episode Mobile Game of Dirge of Cerberus are in that list. Remember also that Shotgun is not the main character of Before Crisis, but rather a potential main character, you can choose among many different Turks, among them Cissnei, to play through the same story. Crisis Core kind of retroactively establishes that Cissnei was the main character of Before Crisis, but all the selectable Turks are canon characters that show up in the On the Way to a Smile novel.

The FFVII staff, more specifically Tetsuya Nomura, mentions that the differences between games regarding the Nibelheim Incident are because those are the versions of different people of the event. FFVII is Cloud's messed up memories of it, CC is Zack's and Before Crisis is the Player Turk's report. It's essentially a bad handwave, again Tetsuya Nomura and the others again covering their asses when it comes to retcons, inconsistencies and asspulls regarding the plots of their games, but it's the explanation given.

Cissnei popping up is not impossible, to be fair. Before Crisis takes place in the original timeline, while the Remake timeline mostly follows the original events very faithfully until the destiny break at the end of Remake, then things start to show bigger and bigger differences in more than one world.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Okay, does that mean Before Crisis is not part of Remake continuity?

 

[TartaChocholate]

Okay, does that mean Before Crisis is not part of Remake continuity?

I think it is in the same way Crisis Core is. Crisis Core Reunion is shot for shot faithful to the original PSP game, exact same plot, events, characters, locations, and all, the only differences are on the technical side (refined gameplay, updated graphics and a new voice cast). I think everything leading up to Remake itself remains the same as in the original continuity, but is in Remake itself where differences start to pop up given Sephiroth is already taking action to break free of predestined fate, but most importantly the battle in the Singularity when the Whisper Harbinger is destroyed and the course of the Planet is thrown off-rails.

EDIT: There's also some bits of Before Crisis acknowledged in Crisis Core Reunion (like in the original PSP), like Zack visiting Sebastian and Essai's tomb.

A weird analogy here but, the way I see it could be: think of the Compilation as a train line, you being in Before Crisis station, move past Crisis Core station, but before reaching Original Final Fantasy VII station, Sephiroth changes the course of the train and you end up in the nearby Remake station, it's not that far away but you can tell it's not Original Final Fantasy VII station, even if the surroundings are similar, but when the train is on the way to the next station, Sephiroth tricks the main party to blow up the engine and cause the train to fall off-rails, and now everyone has to walk who knows where, only being sure they won't be arriving at Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus stations.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Do you guys have a discord server to discuss FF scaling?

 

[TartaChocholate]

Do you guys have a discord server to discuss FF scaling?

A bit late, but I though you had asked Glass?

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

In the Garden, Balamb Garden, the lion talks to walls~~! (Final Fantasy VIII Revisions)

uyimbube, uyimbube, uyimbube, uyimbube, uyimbube, uyimbube~~! Anyhow, here's a rework of sorts for one of my favorites, Final Fantasy VIII. All details can be seen in the following Sandbox. But to elaborate: Only Power and Abilities. I do have some stuff for stats, but will be addressed later...

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Hope people would be able to help Tarta out here.