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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread
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with how hot grace is thats truesees hoyoverse logo
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I can already see ppl on Reddit making comments like that
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te puknemI can already see ppl on Reddit making comments like that
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My first 50/50 win with Miyabi thank god
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lol congratzMy first 50/50 win with Miyabi thank god
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Anywho, I also finished Chapter 5 of ZZZ after carefully grinding my stuff, and dailies on top of gacha rolling.
Miyabi is eluding me as hard as Ellen, Burnice, Zhu Yuan, Jane Doe, and Lighter LOL. I deadass thought I got Miyabi on my second 10x rolls only for it to reveal a Grace copy lol. At this point, I'd take a Koleda since she's only the S-rank on standard roll that I've yet to capture xD.
That said,
Miyabi is eluding me as hard as Ellen, Burnice, Zhu Yuan, Jane Doe, and Lighter LOL. I deadass thought I got Miyabi on my second 10x rolls only for it to reveal a Grace copy lol. At this point, I'd take a Koleda since she's only the S-rank on standard roll that I've yet to capture xD.
That said,
The story itself was really fun and awesome. I was a little concerned that it'd be long but it wasn't that bad. It's as long as Chp 4 is, which given the fact ZZZ devs decided to leave puzzle stuff out of the main story since CHp 4 probably made it not as drawn out as it normally would. I also like how it does callbacks to the various plotlines that happened, from the Vision Corp scandal, the Sacrifice, Bringer, Null Face, and so on.
What I especially like is even though it was advertised, just about everyone played a role that culminates in everyone coming together to take down Bringer. Naturally ofc, there still remains many questions but that's just only the beginning of everything including this so-called "Creator" that Bringer and Sarah follow...
Feat wise, it's cool how we got even more feats like Miyabi being a confirmed bullet-speed fighter and then her empowered Tailless slash she did. I would also say that Bringer Ethereal is perhaps the strongest boss we got to date, and Miyabi truly lives up to the Void Hunter hype. Although granted she's probably not quite yet at the level of hype the early ones made, but she'll get there as time goes on.
And then there's the Phaeton Siblings, who just so happen to really not be so normal after all xD
Though this begs the question on WHAT and WHO exactly they are. They're clearly Human, but sort of being they are is now the hot topic given they literally face tanked an explosion from a dying Bringer. That, and there's the fact that we literally have them make mention about ocular implants, which explains why their eyes always go blue.
Overall, I really liked the story and even the teaser stuff we get in interacting with Astra and briefly Evelyn, which also makes a tease mention of TOPS which is another top dog organization by the sounds of it as well as Miyabi's still living father who'll likely play a bigger role in the story.
What I especially like is even though it was advertised, just about everyone played a role that culminates in everyone coming together to take down Bringer. Naturally ofc, there still remains many questions but that's just only the beginning of everything including this so-called "Creator" that Bringer and Sarah follow...
Feat wise, it's cool how we got even more feats like Miyabi being a confirmed bullet-speed fighter and then her empowered Tailless slash she did. I would also say that Bringer Ethereal is perhaps the strongest boss we got to date, and Miyabi truly lives up to the Void Hunter hype. Although granted she's probably not quite yet at the level of hype the early ones made, but she'll get there as time goes on.
And then there's the Phaeton Siblings, who just so happen to really not be so normal after all xD
Though this begs the question on WHAT and WHO exactly they are. They're clearly Human, but sort of being they are is now the hot topic given they literally face tanked an explosion from a dying Bringer. That, and there's the fact that we literally have them make mention about ocular implants, which explains why their eyes always go blue.
Overall, I really liked the story and even the teaser stuff we get in interacting with Astra and briefly Evelyn, which also makes a tease mention of TOPS which is another top dog organization by the sounds of it as well as Miyabi's still living father who'll likely play a bigger role in the story.
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On your comment of Bringer, you counting Nineveh? Since I’m unsure we could put him above her given he got overpowered and finished off by a charged slash from Miyabi whereas Nineveh tanked such an attack from the VH with no notable damage iirc.
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I didn't count Nineveh for the reason I didn't consider them for the main story since they aren't really that relevant in the grand scheme of things (at least as of 1.4's main story).
Even if I did, we don't know how Miyabi rn fares against Nineveh since that was a pre 1.4 Miyabi that did the charged slash against them before she went through her anime-esque powerup that she used against Bringer, and that Bringer was also channeling the power of the Hoshimi Clan's cursed sword power.
Basically, Miyabi as of rn SHOULD be different from the one we first saw of her in the game proper.
If nothing else, you can say Ninevah and Ethereal Bringer are comparable, with maybe the latter w/Hoshimi Clan curse power being higher? We still haven't yet seen all of what Nineveh is at aside from being something Section 6 and the rest of HAND have been dealing with here and there in H.Zero.
Even if I did, we don't know how Miyabi rn fares against Nineveh since that was a pre 1.4 Miyabi that did the charged slash against them before she went through her anime-esque powerup that she used against Bringer, and that Bringer was also channeling the power of the Hoshimi Clan's cursed sword power.
Basically, Miyabi as of rn SHOULD be different from the one we first saw of her in the game proper.
If nothing else, you can say Ninevah and Ethereal Bringer are comparable, with maybe the latter w/Hoshimi Clan curse power being higher? We still haven't yet seen all of what Nineveh is at aside from being something Section 6 and the rest of HAND have been dealing with here and there in H.Zero.
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I don’t think present Miyabi would be noticeably different from how she was previously normally, though I can see your point that her final slash against Bringer was probably further enhanced by her emotions in this specific fight due to how personal it was for her.
I’ll concede Bringer is possibly comparable or stronger in terms of power, though I currently believe Nineveh is harder to kill than him.
I’ll concede Bringer is possibly comparable or stronger in terms of power, though I currently believe Nineveh is harder to kill than him.
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alright, i've got feats for chapter 5 compiled up. this chapter had a lot to unpack, so i might've missed a few things, but i tried to get as many notable and important feats for characters as i could.
a lot of really good feats, especially for miyabi. i think that last feat from her might be the best in the series to date. that one's definitely worth calcing imo. hopefully i didn't miss anything, but if i did, someone else should be able to provide the stuff i didn't include
- anby notices section 6 intentionally positioning themselves to surround the cunning hares
- miyabi slices clean through bullets as they're coming at her
- anby jumps up to the top of steeltusk as it's moving and casually takes care of three armed guards
- piper maneuvers and escapes a pincer attack from three armored vehicles
- steeltusk gets blown up by a rocket and crashes into a hollow. despite getting knocked out, wise/belle gets up pretty much unscathed. the same can probably be assumed for anby and piper as well
- miyabi manages to catch up to steeltusk after going through "11 motorcycles, 4 cars, and 5 soldiers"
- wise/belle are able to map and layout hollows using maze solving algorithms
- miyabi's sword, tailless, creates a large cloud of foxfire that completely shrouds the surrounding area in flames/smoke. despite this, wise/belle powers through and manages to help miyabi sheathe her sword
- wise/belle examine miyabi's sword and are able to deduce it's mechanics, tying it to hollow observation data as they're able to make an emergency fix to keep it under control
- the cunning hares and section 6 are able to provide emergency care to wise/belle after they experience partial ether corruption and have a cardiac arrest
- miyabi is completely unfazed by ether corruption despite wise/belle experiencing partial corruption and falling unconscious
- miyabi picks up perlman with one hand and tosses him into a hollow
- miyabi falls from a moving vehicle on a bridge onto the ground and is completely unscathed
- harumasa shoots his arrow to stop bringer from running, and the force is enough for the arrow to break through the floor
- bringer's transformation shifts the surrounding area and transforms the nearby environment into ether crystals
- yanagi, soukaku, and harumasa all dodge an attack from bringer's giant hand
- yanagi, soukaku, and harumasa all manage to beat bringer. bringer then proceeds to power up, and he completely destroys a shipping container with a single punch. the force of the attack sends a shockwave which yanagi, soukaku, and harumasa all dodge, only for them to then get caught off guard by another hand warping to attack them. the three take the blunt force of this attack and are sent off a ledge, but they all manage to land safely and are unharmed.
- belobog's machines can casually lift and chuck aside shipping containers with ease
- despite his illness, harumasa manages to precisely shoot an arrow that hits an explosive canister being absorbed by bringer. the canister explodes, which completely engulfs bringer in flames and sends him careening into the ground below
- yanagi, soukaku, and harumasa manage to avoid a laser attack from bringer. the subsequent explosion sends them flying towards the ground, in which they still manage to land and remain unharmed
- the three continue to avoid more laser attacks. yanagi manages to react to one fast enough to tackle soukaku and get her out of the way of the attack.
- miyabi shows up to the fight alongside caesar and manages to cut bringer's giant hand before his attack can land on the rest of section 6
- bringer powering up completely shifts the atmosphere of the hollow. the clouds and surrounding area turn a dark red, and lightning can be seen
- the rest of the factions (cunning hares, belobog, victoria housekeeping, and the sons of calydon) hold off ethereals while section 6 takes on bringer
- probably the most impressive feat in the series thus far. bringer forms a giant blade with his energy that clashes with miyabi. with a single slash, she overpowers and completely destroys it. the resulting force of the attack not only completely destroys bringer and the area surrounding him, but it also manages to completely cut a ship in half, and manages to leave a giant hole in the hollow visible from the outside
- wise and belle survive a point blank explosion from bringer. judging from their glowing eyes though, this seems more like it's attributed to some kind of special ability/defense rather than it being a raw durability feat
a lot of really good feats, especially for miyabi. i think that last feat from her might be the best in the series to date. that one's definitely worth calcing imo. hopefully i didn't miss anything, but if i did, someone else should be able to provide the stuff i didn't include
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Anton also happened to knock a container around too, which is fair given he was able to wrestle Grace's machine during Chapter 2, so it's reasonable to believe that he's comparable to them in strength.
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Unless I somehow misinterpreted her cursed sword's power up wrong in any way, I'm sure it does matter.
Especially since Nineveh tanked a slash from a Miyabi from like 1.5 or post Chp 1-pre Chp 2 point so Miyabi still had yet to channel that power she used against Bringer.
That said, we don't know how Miyabi is now against Nineveh until the game comes back to her and Section 6 going up against it and if Miyabi can freely channel that power up.
Especially since Nineveh tanked a slash from a Miyabi from like 1.5 or post Chp 1-pre Chp 2 point so Miyabi still had yet to channel that power she used against Bringer.
That said, we don't know how Miyabi is now against Nineveh until the game comes back to her and Section 6 going up against it and if Miyabi can freely channel that power up.
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Yeah this is pretty much the summary of feats that happened in Chapter 5 + what Naito brought up.
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Unless it’s confirmed that she became stronger in general from before or during the Bringer fight somewhere, IMO at the moment we should view the power up slash as just an attack empowered by her emotions based on the memories of her mom being shown as she’s doing the attack.
I wonder if we’ll beat Nineveh soon given we have Geppetto trying to manifest.
I wonder if we’ll beat Nineveh soon given we have Geppetto trying to manifest.
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Alright, took the time out of my day to look up the proportions of the ship and calc the cut this might be the craziest feat by Miyabi as she breaks into Large Building level even when a lot of it is fairly conservative
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large building ZZZ, nice. i'm hoping we get some speed calcs at some point soon. if i had to guess the verse is probably in the supersonic-hypersonic range but miyabi in particular has some pretty crazy speed feats so i'm really looking forward to seeing those get calced
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I'll need to review the rocket launchers being used by the guys. They're obviously fictional but we can use visual references to see what matches them the most
And Miyabi feat when calced conservatively is Large Building but breaks into City Block, which to be fair, it pretty much is the way her slash cut through the Hollow
And Miyabi feat when calced conservatively is Large Building but breaks into City Block, which to be fair, it pretty much is the way her slash cut through the Hollow
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I should note that including in-game fights and feats, if Bringer's lightning phase can be considered cloud to ground lightning, that can be grounds for Massively Hypersonic+ but we'd need to prove it. The rest of modern weaponry maybe makes us peak at about Hypersonic. I'd definitely like to take a closer look at some footage in-game as characters are able to dodge tank/cannon fire.
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that sounds about right for the verse.
in terms of proof of the lightning being cloud to ground, although the game cuts the lightning off i think the implication is that it's coming from the sky. the lightning is also colored red, which i think is worth noting cause when bringer powered up against all the factions you could see red lightning crackling within the clouds of the hollow. not sure if that alone is enough proof to constitute it as cloud to ground lightning but i do think it's at least worth noting
