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FGO Shimosa Revisions

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There are a lot of DSs in Nasuverse and lots are mentioned only (Anu, Odin, Indra, Aillen, Mars etc) that best we can do is scaling to what god we know of and comparing it to the gods in the same pantheon and their feats. We can go around and around talking about DSs but it's not that there are not many feats. It's that there are just too much DSs to be put in into the story. If we are using LK as scale to other strong DS (though me myself is not convinced to use LK because she is a DS that basically has no relation to other DS. But with summer, i can see that she is at least comparable or stronger to Servant Meltryllis), then alright, let's use LK as the scale. DSs can be abstract issue, so yes it can be hard to make a definite scaling chain since most of the time DS are abstract and mentioned only.
 
The best we can do doesn't mean we should wildly guess and estimate people by comparing them to others they've never been compared to. For example, a good comparison that can be used is when Caenis compares Ivan's power to that of Zeus in the events of LB1. Here we have a character who we know has had interactions with both Zeus and Ivan (though Zeus is still a mystery right now), who has given an educated comparison that we can't just dismiss easily.

On the other hand, using Raijin's as of now unknown power (and Raikou/Kintoki connections) to justify scaling Swordmaster Munenori to the LK, who has some of the best feats for a DS in FGO, is pretty much worthless compared to the above. Here, it's clearly fan interpretation on how strong these characters are/must be and how they 'should' scale to each other, when it may not be the case in reality.

LK wasn't in the 2019 Summer event, that was just regular Lancer Artoria in a bunny suit as a casino boss. She's not relevant to this discussion.
 
I think the reason why he avoiding you and just goes to vote route is because he kind of sick with your arguments, Regis

Again just assumpting
 
Then there's no point in making a CRT if you don't want to go through your suggested changes. I've pointed out what are clear mistakes in some parts of the OP, but for some reason no one cares to fix it now before putting it in the profiles. I don't think we should just let standards slip simply because everything else regarding scaling has been done poorly so far.
 
In summary: Raijin comparable to other Divine Spirits and Living Raikou being stronger than Kintoki

You can read the whole thread for find the details
 
I see no reason to say that divine spirits and such can't scale to eachother without feats. This isn't even just a Nasuverse thing, plenty of profiles on the wiki scale people who are part of the same species of something, thay would be comparable to eachother, even if they aren't shown fighting eachother.

Also, the Bunnygirl was very clearly LK, you can even see her eyes, and it's stated as well iirc

I agree with Iap on the scaling
 
Paul Frank said:
I see no reason to say that divine spirits and such can't scale to eachother without feats. This isn't even just a Nasuverse thing, plenty of profiles on the wiki scale people who are part of the same species of something, thay would be comparable to eachother
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That's even dumber. What horrible logic is this? Divine Spirits are not pokemon that we can assume have a relative level of power in each stage. They are not even a species, are you actually trying to make sense anymore? Not only are they completely different across regions (Aztec Gods are parasytes, Greek ones seem to be robot-like, Tiamat is... whatever she is), not only do they differ in power (Shiva is above most other gods of his pantheon by miles, sun gods like Amaterasu get direct power from the universe, Euryale and Stheno still exist and there's no "they are the only ones that aren't super powerful" statement everywhere), they aren't even living beings. What dumbass logic has been brewing in Nasuverse related things lately?

Even Iap's "counter" is horrible. DA's can be stronger or weaker than each other, but they are comparable. Is this so difficult? Are you really comparing the spikes of power between Divine Spirits and those of the DA that we know on average are at least a bit below Servants? Is that really the kind of horrible logic you want to use to justify such assumption? I am gonna be honest Iap, you said complete and utter nonsense and it makes me doubt if you are even debating something with a point or just justifying mediocrity. You know what dragons have? Uniformity, since they are an actual species, some have actual feats of fighting characters, they fall in the lines of Monstrous Beasts, Phantasmal Beasts and Divine Beasts so we can compare them to THOSE too, we have statements that they are special even among each of these levels so we can say they scale above, by an unknown amount but above unless said otherwise. What you are right about is that there's nothing concrete, what you are arguing in the most terribly nonsensical way is that all these things I mentioned don't exist and somehow they compare to gods, who vary in power by miles more than nearly any other thing in Nasuverse. Worse, you are using a scaling chain with like 3 or 4 people of questionnable circumsctances, and you are yet again comparing it to "Rider's Pegasus has a defense compared to an outright dragon", "DA are in general compared to Servants".

So you see, again? No direct power level numbers, but direct "they are comparable" statements... and you still say this shit is as vague as your convoluted mess of a scaling attempt.

Be ******* real.
 
Hey, don't get too heated, okay? We don't want this thread turned into a shitstorm or whatsoever

At this point we could just add everything aside the scaling to the profiles and leave the scaling to the other thread, simple as that
 
Ishtar and Eresh aren't full divinite spirits in their servants forms, they are manifested by possessing Rin's body, so they are much weaker
 
Funny enough, just like a day ago, I would have said no, but last night we may actually have found a means to scale general divine spirits to the incarnated (and therefore weakened) Ishtar. I wanna talk it over with some of the other Nasu supporters, but Ishtar's feat of dropping Uruk into the underworld with her basic attack (although they were charged up, she wasnt using the true name release of her NP or anything like that) can be used to scale to other divine spirits such as Jaguarman. If all the stuff checks out, we may actually something like the thing we do where we scale mages to be above confirmed low end but not extremely low end mages.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
No? A DS can't be summoned as a Servant and keep their full power. This goes for Ishtar and Eresh too.
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True, they cannot be summoned as a servant with their full power, but seemingly they can keep on the level of divine spirit while incarnated as a host. However, I am still looking into this.
 
Overlord775 said:
Ishtar and Eresh aren't full divinite spirits in their servants forms, they are manifested by possessing Rin's body, so they are much weaker
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For this reason, I think we can use Incarnated Ishtar's feats from Babylon to work as a minimum for general divine spirits. Babylon Ishtar is stronger than Chaldea's ishtar, but she is still weakened
 
Their Divine Core doesn't stop existing, nor their divinity, but their power as a Divine Spirit itself is drastically cut. By how much is anybody's guess.
 
The only hole I could think of was how Babylonia Gods are lower but now that I got the explanation why, I think the scaling is all right. They never interacted but there is indirect scaling for a reason, we use it a lot by various verses.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Their Divine Core doesn't stop existing, nor their divinity, but their power as a Divine Spirit itself is drastically cut. By how much is anybody's guess.
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Yeah, but at the very least we have a more broad means of scaling Divine Spirits above.
 
Indirect scaling still based on empty assumptions and with like 4 different numbers. The only point that is relevant is Raikou being stronger and this is actually more directly stated unlike everything else (which confused me in the first place why use the "being his master" thing as the main proof).
 
So once again for everyone following, Raijin has no comparisons to Raikou (this is only fan assumptions), LK has no comparisons to any DS (only fan assumptions). Come on, this is supposed to be a proposal with evidence, not random assumptions being shoved together to make one.

As for LK not being in Summer 2019, this says otherwise.

http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthrea...NS-SPOILERS)?p=3016696&viewfull=1#post3016696

Arturia Pendragon (Ruler)

Swimsuit Lion King. This name has three meaning included to it. First, the manager of Casino Camelot, which stands at the top of the casino group that rules the gorgeous Las Vegas. Second, the sponsor who watches over the Seven Matches of Swimsuit Swordmasters, also known as Contest(1) of Swimsuit Swordmasters, and its cause--- in other words, the Swimsuit Swordmasters that compete with each other with their swords and swimsuits as a single summer memory. Third, the Lancer Arturia who changed her guise to a summer dress.

Please be careful, for she is a completely different person from the "Lion King" that appeared in the Sixth Singularity.

Basically, the same individual as her Lancer self. However, since she is unconsciously thinking that it should be fine to have some fun as this is her day off, her behaviour in places unrelated to the Seven Matches of Swimsuit Swordmasters is somewhat lenient.

So no, it's not and has never been LK in a bunny suit.
 
Lion King of the 6th singularity is a Divine SPirit, but Servant Lancer Artoria isn't.

Lion king of the 6th singualrity is the avatar of the spear known as Rhongo
 
Visual mistake. If profile descriptions aren't enough for you then let's toss everything out and judge people on how they look. Aka Ishtar is only as strong as Rin, Jaguar Warrior is only as strong as Taiga and so on. There's a limit to denial you know.
 
Ok, so I asked Wokistan. He says that if we have general support and a staff member has said it looks good, then a CRT is safe to add. Since Weekly and Shiro have both said it looks good (Monarch told me in DMs that it looks good but never commented so i guess it doesn't count), and the votes are solidly in favor, this should be safe to add
 
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