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Fate revision thread (continuation)

That's talking about culling them in the mooncell iirc, they are tracing the worlds and culling them at their end

Also spiritrons aren't only in the mooncell the can exist outside of it iirc which is how people enter the mooncell in the first place, by sending their spiritrons in
 
Is there any instance outside of the mooncell of "Spiritron words"??? Not parrallel worlds, or alternate realities, but "Spiritron worlds"???? CCC uses that term, and extella from what i have seen so far.
 
Rayshifting uses spirtrons to go into the past, or parrallel worlds. https://www.tmdict.com/en/re.rayshift

but still nothing about entire Spiritron Worlds which is a terminology i only seen in Extra Timeline stuff.

Now that you mentioned it. i think he used it once. I will have to go back and look.
 
Btw, I really do hold that 2-A should only be for hax and not AP. What are the current arguments for it being AP? The moon cell would be that AP wise, but I don't think anyone else would. Well, except for the higher beings obviously
 
Because Moon Cell would be 2-A AP wise, BB would have to be as well. Then playable servants as well. Though, you could give 2-A Authority hax and resistances to others, without giving them AP. Lots of possibilities, hard to choose the right one, to be honest.
 
15-E downgrade time

But yeah it would scale to Ap for BB, and then everyone else who scales to her would also have 2-A scale to their ap
 
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
Because Moon Cell would be 2-A AP wise, BB would have to be as well. Then playable servants as well. Though, you could give 2-A Authority hax and resistances to others, without giving them AP. Lots of possibilities, hard to choose the right one, to be honest.
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Well, my point is that the 2-A wouldn't manifest itself in raw destruction for the moon cell, it would only manifest in the pruning process and operation of parallel worlds. Maybe we can give BB a "2-A via operation of parallel worlds" at the end of her stats
 
if 2-A is accepted? statements of "higher dimensionality" become acceptable right?? For example, "This infinite sized higher dimensional space"
 
I mean

If Chakravartin, a Bodhisattva, can destroy the infinite possibilities of the Mooncell, then fellow Bodhisattva Kiara should be comparable.

Also, remember that the scans provided say that these infinite possibilities exist all at the same time within the core, and BB merged with it and even fought(?) against it. Gilgamesh also used 90% of his treasury against it I remember. Besides, BB merging with the Mooncell means her AP should be 2-A anyways, not like how Blazblue is only 2-A via hax. This applies to AP I think, because 1) The infinite possibilities which are all actual timelines are existing within the Core of the Mooncell and 2) BB merged with it and should have similar power to it and a bonus 3) Saver and Kiara are comparable last I heard, so if he can destroy all timelines in the Mooncell then Kiara should at least be comparable.
 
Twice couldn't have Saver's NP destroy the infinite timelines outright, he had to use its abilities to take over the operation of parallel worlds from the moon cell.
 
If we take higher Dimensional at face value. Which I see no reason why not. The imaginary number space is an Infinite sized higher Dimensional space that BB manipulated all of it.
 
That's where the fun begins

I think we save that headache for after this get accepted would be the best. (I made a meme just for somebody in case this goes the way I think it goes)
 
  • Rin :: The observed universe…? Ah, I mentioned that in my explanation, I guess. "There's no passage of time here. If it were a loop we might still have hope…" was that it? A time loop is when time goes in a circle. It means you return to the past, so theoretically you could alter not only known situations, but also unknown ones. But we don't have dreams like that here. Because no matter what happens the "result" can't be changed. The far side of the moon is a world made of imaginary numbers. There's a concept of time here, but the way it works is different from the real thing. You would call it the difference between "recognized time" and "recorded time," I guess. See, right now we're standing here talking, and that's the present, right? But, …one, two, three, and. Right. So now the previous me…what I said three seconds ago has become the "past." Even though we're still in the middle of the "same conversation." That's the flow of time according to your cognizance. Humans divide time and space into past, present, and future according to their own cognizance. That's the very simple physical law of observed space. As we can't see what will come after the present, there fluctuations in related parties can change the future. It's too late now, but the real world and the near side of the moon are both operated as this observed universe. You understand so far?"
  • "Rin :: On the other hand, the laws of the recorded universe are different. The perception of the recorded universe is over many dimensions…think of it as a higher dimensional existence. From this higher dimension, the third dimension looks like a flat scroll. Er, if the three-dimensional world is a world drawn in a book, and then if you jumped inside the book and came out outside the book, something like that? And then you're able to look down on any point in your past, present, and future from when you were inside the book, as a record — that's the higher dimensional perspective. You get it? Under these circumstances, all time inside the book becomes equivalent. Since you can always turn to whatever time you want to. There's no past or future. It's the same as that. This is imaginary number space, a higher dimensional information space made from light. The far side of the moon is fundamentally operated according to the laws of the recorded universe, not the observed universe. We are foreign bodies…no, guests. Creatures of the the observed universe that have been thrown into the recorded universe. Whereas the Moon Cell's Core is a concurrent world simulator where all possibilities are calculated and the past, present, and future all exist at the same time. In other words, it belongs to the recorded universe. BB has become that Moon Cell. She's obtained a higher dimensional perspective. So — BB can handle the past and the future simultaneously. The moment BB reached the core, she obtained the power to select and determine the future. The Moon Cell, when used to be only the eyes of god, by combining with the AI BB, has become the brain of god. I don't know how many hours in the future it is, but at any rate BB has reached the Moon Cell. That fact alone is completely immovable. Having thus become a being of the recorded universe, BB, able to make things true retroactively, became aware of "this present moment." …your head gets mixed up thinking about it though. So as soon as she became the Moon Cell, BB was able to convey "this present moment" even to her past self. …So, BB knew from the beginning. That no matter what we wouldn't make it in time."

The Recorded Universe = The Far Side of the Moon = The Exterior of the World = The Imaginary Number Space.

To understand this in more detail, lets take a deeper look at Fate/Extella: The Altera Route's First 5 minutes.

The Earth has not only one future, but many futures . This is important because of the usage of the word "Future." Its being used along side the usage of the term "Parrallel world's"

All these variant futures make up a vast array of worlds.

Another term for all these Parrallel worlds is "Possibilities"

Now lets re-take a look at Rin's statement above.

  • "Rin:: This is imaginary number space, a higher dimensional information space made from light."

We can get redundant confirmation that Imaginary Number Space is higher dimensional Ô£ö´©Å

  • "Rin:: Whereas the Moon Cell's Core is a concurrent world simulator where all possibilities are calculated and the past, present, and future all exist at the same time. "
Now we get confirmation that the Mooncell contains all information on the multiverse in the Imaginary Number Space. Ô£ö´©Å

  • "Rin:: So — BB can handle the past and the future simultaneously. The moment BB reached the core, she obtained the power to select and determine the future. The Moon Cell, when used to be only the eyes of god, by combining with the AI BB, has become the brain of god "
This sounds like BB basically took control of the prunning/culling process, and also took control over the way parrallel worlds were made. Ô£ö´©Å

Here we get confirmation that the Mooncell's Core zone, and the Angelica Tree (The 7th Layer) are located in the Imaginary Number Space. Start at this page and then move on to the next page [1]Ô£ö´©Å

We also learn that the Mooncell can observe every possible outcome, and destiny . It also stores an infinity of future, and simulates them . Ô£ö´©Å

In short: I do believe we can take the Statement of "Higher dimensional + Infinite sized " as being literal, and being 2-A. Since it looks like, and appears that the Imaginary Number Space is where other worlds are stored, imo.
 
Yeah, 2-A is definitely not just hax for BB-tiers. Shiroyasha thinks so too, so I'm willing to just make it flatout "2-A".

The scaling chain, meanwhile, should start from Kiara. Since Kiara should scale the same in her CCC and FGO forms, and her CCC form is on Mooncell!BB's level. From there, the likes of Goetia and Tiamat would scale, and so does Mara/Kama, and then Super Karna and Arjuna Alter, and the rest of the Beasts. The scaling chain should also extend to the likes of Velber and Amaterasu.

Now, whether or not this applies to the non-Fate Nasuverse worlds is a mystery for me. I only know Fate..
 
The only non fate things that would scale are types with their possibly low 2-C being switched for a possibly/likely 2-A since the people they currently scale to are being upgraded to that tier

Maybe void Shiki could scale through scaling Akasha above the mooncell which would make her wishes and stuff above the mooncell as well but that's kinda downplay for Akasha
 
How does Arc, Zelretch, and other Nasuverse 5As get their 5A rating though? I checked around and I found they scale from Divine Spirits, like Ishtar... who's no longer 5A
 
Back in the days they had continental rating because one Type destroyed a continent when it was defeated, from what I remember. Every tier after that is just scaling from Fate characters.
 
Well... 1 Staff said the 2A is fine...

Case closed! Gogogogo apply the changes

Do we need more input for this? If no, whoever has enough time can come and discuss the scaling now, I believe.
 
We should find some more staff members. I honestly don't want to hear "why did you make these changes, there was only one staff member who evaluated this" and so on.
 
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