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Fate revision thread (continuation)

Ehh, pretty neutral on him. He's cool, but not my favorite.

But yeah, moment Nasuverse became 2-A, BlazBlue, Lavos, PMMM, D&D, Digimon, and all the rest are looking at them ready for an "initiation" test.
 
"Initiation test"

BB: Please don't bully your cute kouhai too much?

proceeds to unleash chaos as the premier 2-As gang up on her

Anyways, as for the scaling chain... Well at least the CCC playables will definitely scale to Mooncell BB. Not too sure about how the exact hierarchy goes, but I think Super Karna and Arjuna Alter, along with the other Beasts, should be among the top as well. Amaterasu as well.
 
I am against making a chain because I don't think it's possible to make one now, since we don't know exact interaction between all the characters.

CCC Gil is the strongest among CCC servants. Those servants are stronger than full power BB. Pre-Moon Cell BB is stronger than Tiamat and everyone comparable to her. BB without the Moon Cell can hold down Kiara who controls the Moon Cell. And so on.

Don't know how to scale Beasts and the rest of Grand Order.
 
Eh, I'll let the others decide the final scaling chain.

But first things first; since we got mods giving the go signal, who's going to revise the pages into 2-A? Shiroyasha suggested that we just change the "At least High 3-A, likely Low 2-C" into flatout 2-A and be done with it.

And next, while we aren't sure about the scaling, this question still needs to be answered; Is BB with Mooncell Baseline 2-A? Or does she warrant a "At least 2-A" rating?
 
Nasuverse is going to be complete canon fodder except BB, and Melt who MIGHT have a chance in the 2-A bracket.. but we should probably discuss 1-C hax on BB after this again

anyways...

Going over the scaling chain.

If were going to make Gilgamesh 2-A for "living self" which i don't know if that is the case. That would scale to Tiamat because Final Acension Archer Gilgamesh fought her.

Shouldn't Goteia have his own 2-A feat??? Maybe i could be wrong though.

But Doesn't Arjuna Alter, and Mara/Kama have anti-feats at Low 2-C???

btw Tiamat does exist throughout all space-time which sould be Low 2-C at the very least.

Also, Kaira took advantage of a weakened BB that happened after the fight with Gilgamesh and other CCC Playables, iirc

Lastly, Karna... BB has a whole self-reflecting moment after you fight her. After he past self is disconnected. her future self has a monolouge as she is viewing the changes that is ongoing within the Mooncell. But i found out at the end of the chapter that Karna gave his Armor to Jinako. BB, the Mooncell, still managed to erase her.

She is basically a disembodied consciousness at that point.
 
>If were going to make Gilgamesh 2-A for "living self" which i don't know if that is the case. That would scale to Tiamat because Final Acension Archer Gilgamesh fought her.

Living Gil is kinda the same deal as CCC Mystic Wear, but CCC is stronger and has more hax I think. I may be wrong.

>Shouldn't Goteia have his own 2-A feat??? Maybe i could be wrong though.

Yes, his Noble Phantasm is powered by "the infinite possibilities of human history" and Beast Kiara said she is inferior to him.

>But Doesn't Arjuna Alter, and Mara/Kama have anti-feats at Low 2-C???

Well I mean... People like Thor have 5-B feats but they're still rated 4-B. Don't know if it applies here though.

>btw Tiamat does exist throughout all space-time which sould be Low 2-C at the very least.

Yep, Nigh-Omnipresent is already in Tiamat's profile I think.
 
Even though Living Gil is technically Caster Gilgamesh. But the man is so weakened and overworked when we meet him in Babylonia that it's hard to consider it...
 
Dangai Ichigo said:
Even though Living Gil is technically Caster Gilgamesh. But the man is so weakened and overworked when we meet him in Babylonia that it's hard to consider it...
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He went through a transformation and went from being a caster to Final Ascension Archer form which is very important because Final Ascensions is that classes for X-characters strongest/prime form.
 
  • "Rani :: As a result of analyzing the "Ten Crowns," we too have acquired rights to access "original power" from the Moon Cell. The "Ten Crowns" is the beginning of human history, the dawning of the light of civilization…In summer, it is the power of the Origin that began the human genome. It is something all human beings hold within them. Therefore, we can append this ability it to your Servant as well. If we have the same power the Ten Crowns cannot make us "things that weren't.""
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he gains the same ability as BB, and as such, he normally shouldn't have that.This a power of another goddess, iirc. this is the reason for his boost.
 
These are my thoughts on the scaling.

We only scale Extra Timeline stuff from BB since she is the easiest to scale form or the most pivtol being to scale form.

Then we should scale characters from Goetia for grand order. this is probably the safest route for scaling. I will admit i could be wrong though..

though i think we should take into considering Arjuna Alter reseting the universe a thousand + times, and Mara/Kama universal feats. Are those considered anti-feats?????? i don't know the full context of such events... soo.... i wouldn't know if they are...
 
Arjuna's universal feats aren't anti feats, because they are almost always casual, and done with the swing of a sword. It's an authority specifically based on ending the universe. We can leave him at universal+ or high universal unless we scale him to the beasts
 
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
Kiara is not above BB and BB is stronger than Tiamat and Goetia. Goetia is likely around Tiamat's level.
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Which Kiara are you talking about in this context, because last I checked she absorbed the sakura five. What makes you think Tiamat is around Goetia's level?
 
Performing a lower value feat is not considered an anti-feat. If a characters is fought/stalemated/defeates by a lower tier character, then that would be an anti-feat. For example, if we give Tiamat 2-A rating and a 7-A character was able to fight her, then that's a problem. I don't know if we have such problems here.
 
Full power Kiara with the Moon Cell. She only absorbed BB who no longer had the Moon Cell and was beaten down. That's why it cannot be assumed she is stronger than full power BB since she defeated a weaker version of her.

I am going from what is written on the profile. That Goetia is comparable to complete Beast like Tiamat and above incomplete ones. Something like that.
 
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
Full power Kiara with the Moon Cell. She only absorbed BB who no longer had the Moon Cell and was beaten down. That's why it cannot be assumed she is stronger than full power BB since she defeated a weaker version of her.
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Im in agreement with this part.

Goetia stuff requires me to go back and look at stuff unless someone can bring scans before i can.
 
Of course. She was still in control of the Moon Cell and would have access to its functions. She just doesn't get that "above BB".
 
Techincally any wizard has some access rights to the Mooncell. some have more access rights than others (via hacking) Shinji is an example of that. BB just has the absoulte most rights because she eventually becoems the Mooncell. Also, before she became it she evolved and adapted to overcome the mooncell,a nd she eventually hacked and got access to the servant/Goddess archives. she then gave herself some broken arse skills.

Kiara is no different. she got some control over the Mooncell jsut not all, and also if i remember right. In CCC she eventually spits out Meltlilith, and passionlip because they were still fighting back.
 
I could provide Context that the BB that was fighting the CCC Playables was not in her right mind, or headspace, and the BB they fought was actually a "Past version" of BB because she succesfully became the Mooncell even after her "past version" was disconnected..

but it would also cause a big wall of text.
 
Any idea who at least gets affected by the 2-A buff so we can at least start revisinng the profiles? Scaling chain can be saved for later. BB with Mooncell is the most obvious one to be affected but who else?
 
I talked with my friend off-wiki, and he's telling me this: If Arjunalter resetted the Universe, with the moon (with Mooncell inside) in it, won't that mean he destroyed and recreated the Mooncell over and over?
 
Wheres the proof the Mooncell was inside of it?? How do we verify the information? I know the Mooncell isn't in every timeline.

Wouldn't the Mooncell also operate over a different law of cause and effect than the worlds outside it as well?? Shouldn't it also already know that its going to happen since it knows the absolute future?? Also, with the way the Mooncell works. i don't think it would just let that happen...
 
I think your friend thinks that the Mooncell was in the Indian Lostbelt is because of Jinako's presence. Although sadly there's no proof that the Mooncell was indeed inside the Indian Lostbelt.
 
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