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This thread is a summary of proposed changes introduced in this CRT: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3299099#230. Most of this information was brought by YuriAkuto, Iapitus The Impaler and Paul Frank. Due to the lack of staff members who support Fate the goal here is to provide a summary that is easy to understand, so that staff members who are not familiar with the verse mechanics and its cosmology are able to properly evaluate these feats. Fate supporters knowledgeable on the subject, who are willing to add further information or correct me are free to do so in the comments below. I know comments are sometimes ignored in revision threads and people are focused on the OP, but I urge you to read the comments as they could provide valuable information.
To clarify one thing so that it doesn't cause confusion: parallel worlds, "if-futures", timelines and possibilities are terms used to describe the same thing here.
I also found that "infinite parallel worlds" already exists on this profile: Zelretch . That part was added by Promestein, in August 2017., and "Type-Moon revisions" was put as reasoning. I haven't found the revision thread and I don't remember which one it was. Paul Frank also mentioned infinite parallel worlds concerning Zelretch, so maybe he has more information about this.
To clarify one thing so that it doesn't cause confusion: parallel worlds, "if-futures", timelines and possibilities are terms used to describe the same thing here.
- Moon Cell, an observation device which observes Earth and simulates possibilities, stores those possibilities within itself: 1 .
- Additional explanation can be found on Type-Moon page, with source text in Japanese present in reference section: "Universe refers to a domain that encompasses space and time. In the world of Fate/Extra CCC and Fate/Extella, two varieties of existence are referred to as Universe." and this.
- Moon Cell's possibilities existing at the same time: "Meanwhile, the Core of the Moon Cell, simulator of parallel worlds, calculating all kinds of possibilities, past and present and future, all existing at the same time."
I also found that "infinite parallel worlds" already exists on this profile: Zelretch . That part was added by Promestein, in August 2017., and "Type-Moon revisions" was put as reasoning. I haven't found the revision thread and I don't remember which one it was. Paul Frank also mentioned infinite parallel worlds concerning Zelretch, so maybe he has more information about this.
- Two descriptions of Kaleidoscope essence craft, connected to Zelretch, from Fate/Grand Order: 1 and 2
- We have a feat of Saver trying to end all possibilities in Fate/Extra Last Encore: 1 . We can discuss later who gets affected by this.
- "Moon Cell just simulates things, it's data, it's not real etc.". This is a common argument when it comes to Moon Cell. I believe we don't actually take this argument seriously anymore because trying to equalize the Moon Cell to something like a Dell laptop is ridiculous. Moon Cell has power to interact with things outside of itself, it could send BB to Grand Order universe etc. It is capable of creating Soul. It contains Imaginary numbers space, a form of space that is very real and not some "data", which was featured in Extra CCC and Grand Order. Someone like BB (AI created by the Moon Cell) is not only capable of interacting with such concept, but merged herself with it as well. Description of "Universe of Record" posted above also states that it's a domain that encompasses Space and Time. Therefore reality within the Moon Cell is not some regular computer data. Also, feats performed within the Moon Cell were recently used as proof for high 3-A/low 2-C tiering, so in overall context of Nasuverse, it is real.
- "Those possibilities within the Moon Cell don't exist at the same time and possibilities are not timelines/parallel worlds". Two descriptions posted above state otherwise.
- "Quantum Time Lock mechanics introduced in Extella explain that there can't be an infinite amount of worlds. Extella came after Extra and Extra CCC where statements on infinite worlds come from.". I am not as knowledgeable on Extella as I am on Extra, so I won't be arguing this point, but Iapitus and Paul have debated extensively about this in the previous thread and they can further explain why this counter-argument might not be valid. On the topic of possible retcons via "Extella is a newer work", a scan posted above involves Goetia and his statement on "infinite possibilities" from Grand Order and it came after Extella, from what I know and what others have said. I would also like to point out that Extella contains certain contradictions, for example Gilgamesh being affected by the Far Side. This is lore-breaking as Extra CCC explicitly stated that he slept there for eternity and was not affected by it. Unreformed Far Side is nothingness that erases all existence and if we follow Extella's logic, Gilgamesh would be dead even before the events of Extra CCC started. That's why things from Extella should be carefully reviewed and not be taken at face value.
