Small Servants Addition

[HigashikataJobin]

A while have passed since the Servant Physiology page got it's deserved restructuration. What I propose in this thread is the inclusion of a new ability, one that was never proposed for all the Servants per se. I think all the Servants, not just Divine Spirits, have what is necessary to fit the criteria for Abstract Existence.

Abstract Existence (Type 2 [Information, Myths, Legends, Rumors, Beliefs]; Servants are the embodiments of miracles and extraordinary feats described in legends; they are the manifestations of legends that have been etched into the annals of history and remained in the memories of mankind through the ages. Servants are the second coming of myths and legends. Servants are not living beings since they are a phenomenon. A Servant's body is made of Spiritrons—the same of which is purely information in nature. Servants are Phantasms, just like the Phantasmal Beasts, which are beings born from myths and legends and legendary divine mysteries only spoken in myth. There are Servants whose existence are of pure myth and speculation, who never existed as living beings in fact. One example is Lord Logres, who is the embodiment of the ideal King Arthur spoken and imagined by her followers, the manifestation of every rumor, speculation, and myth about King Arthur, recorded in the Throne of Heroes alongside the true Artoria from human history. Finally, Servants share a similar nature with Divine Spirits, sustained and gaining power derived from how much people believe in them).

 

[Re5yh]

Agree

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I think I agree with this.

 

[Franstel]

Sorry but embodying an abstraction is not enough unless you have showing of being immortal thanks to that abstraction.

Abstract Existence is the ability to embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it.

Embodying a concept is not enough to obtain this ability, an abstract needs feats or reliable statements proving that the concept they represent grants them Immortality/Regeneration or control over the abstraction.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Sorry but embodying an abstraction is not enough unless you have showing of being immortal thanks to that abstraction.

About this, as I've mentioned in the proposed box, all Servants are indeed immortal, since they are a phenomenon, not having life or death thanks to it.

All Servants are beings made of information. They are copies created and formed using the information registered in the Throne of Heroes, as explained here:

•Birth of Heroic Spirits
It's been explained that Heroic Spirits are beings that heroes whom belief has been gathered upon become after death, but heroes of myths and legends can be born by the gathering of belief even if they didn't exist. Also, there are those who those who make a contract of some sort with the world when they were alive and as compensation become Heroic Spirits after death. In the Fifth War, Hasan Sabaha was a hero that actually existed, and Herakles and Medusa are ones of legends. Also, Emiya and Artoria are beings that became (or will become) Heroic Spirits after their contract with the world.　Those who have become Heroic Sｐirits are freed from the constraints of time and are moved to the Throne of Heroes, existing to the outside of the World.

•Heroic Spirit summoning
Heroic Spirits are beings cut off from the time axis and can be summoned in any era, regardless of past and future. However, the only one that can summon the main body of the Heroic Spirits is the "world", and alas, humans can't summon the main body and can only summon their emanations, the Servants. Speaking of which, the information (souls) making up the Servants return to the main body at the same time as the death of the Servant, and the main body can know, as records, about the actions of the Servants as if reading a book.
Source: Fate/complete material III: World material - Records of Heavens Feel - Servant System: Difference between Heroic Spirits and Servants, p.012

Because of this, every Skill and Noble Phantasm that a Servant possess are only possible and the direct product of their legend, which is, again, registered in the Throne of Heroes once enough people start to believe and remember them. Just to quote an example, since this applies to every Servant seem thus far in the series:

Nine Lives: The Shooting Hundred Heads
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Among Hercules’Noble Phantasms, he trusted this one the most. It was the Noble Phantasm which Hercules used to slay the immortal nine-headed serpent Hydra once upon a time, taking the form of bow and arrow. After killing the Hydra, Hercules could even utilise techniques that emulate the ability of this Noble Phantasm when wielding other weapons. In essence, it is “a high speed attack consisting of nine consecutive strikes, as swift as if the attacks are overlapping”. Even when delivered via sword, spear, or axe, this technique still boasts power on the level of Noble Phantasms. Also, just like Cú Chulainn’s demonic spear Gae Bolg has a technique called “Gae Bolg – Piercing Death Thorn”, Hercules’ technique shares the “Nine Lives – Shooting of Hundred Heads” name with the Noble Phantasm.

The Noble Phantasm Nine Lives from Hercules is the bow he used in his legend, which is transformed into a Conceptual Weapon (Noble Phantasm) that is intrinsic to his existence as the hero Hercules and everything told in his myth—which again is pure information condensed and solidified.

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Agree, The immortalities in the Servant Physiology section are because they are these embodiments of the myths

Maybe off topic/somewhat related, but shouldn't servants also technically have Types 5 and 8 Immortality? Type 5 rather than Type 7 given that they aren't bound by conventional life and death and aren't actually undead beings, and Type 8 from only dying if their spirit core is destroyed?

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Agree, The immortalities in the Servant Physiology section are because they are these embodiments of the myths

Maybe off topic/somewhat related, but shouldn't servants also technically have Types 5 and 8 Immortality? Type 5 rather than Type 7 given that they aren't bound by conventional life and death and aren't actually undead beings, and Type 8 from only dying if their spirit core is destroyed?

Yep. They had those type of immortalities before. I don't know why they got removed.

 

[Cainlaneve]

Yep. They had those type of immortalities before. I don't know why they got removed.

I feel like type 8 was removed because of a argument that went something like "If you can damage the entire servant, the core would be affected too?" i don't remember the argument for type 8 removal fully myself