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Fate/Extra Mythological Mystic Code/Root of the Beginning Revisions and Scaling

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@Swagpack

I've been wondering that myself and I'm pretty sure that this should be the case. But it's been Travel Speed for so long that I've kind of been subconsciously resistant to it.

What does everyone else think?
 
Well for one other thing, should Kami be in on this as well in our discussion here?
 
Second, I wouldn't mind them having MFTL+ combat speed really.

But do like to hear other opinions of this too, however
 
If i'm reading this correctly...is whatever or not they should have MFTL+ speed, right?
 
And whether or not Nero, Tamamo, and Archer should be 5-A for having the exact same feats as Gil.
 
Would BB also be 5-A?
 
BB should be 5-A because she can fight playable servants, like Gilgamesh at full power, who are capable of fighting Kiara. She also absorbed Tiamat who is already at tier 5-A so it would make sense.

All playable servants would have their AP and Durability at 5-A.

All playable servants would have their speed at MFTL+ (This would mean that their reaction and combat speed would be MFTL+ because Emiya and Nero state they were flying and flight requires similar reaction speed). This would apply to Gilgamesh as well even though he used a NP to cross the distance since he should be no slower than the rest of them and he fights the same enemies as the rest of the servants. Kiara and BB would also have their speed at MFTL+ because they can fight those servants. Speed upgrade would affect anyone who you think might scale from Kiara and BB.

I think I covered everything. Add if I missed something so everyone can say what they think about these changes.
 
Kami made a sort of reasoning for why he thinks BB shouldn't be 5-A.

Though he didn't explain about the Tiamat part and I believe the Gil one so idk if his opinion is the same or not...

here if anyone wants to know the whole thing.
 
@Cross

I'm pretty sure we're primarily scaling Tiamat off Enkidu, since she was able to harm someone using Enkidu's original body, who scales to full power Gil.

BB was kinda panicky about Gil being the player's Servant, threatening to collapse the Reality Marble they're in if they didn't sever their contract.
 
I agree with making the Servants from Fate/Extra CCC get the MFTL+ upgrade. The 5-A rating also makes sense since they are able to fight Kiara right after fighting BB.


BB could still travel across an infinite distance and place herself in "Unlimited Time," so she might warrant a "possibly higher" ranking as well.
 
So wait, are we actually gonna scale BB up to just 5-A or put possibly or something?
 
I actually think that the reason she's at least 5-B here is due to going by her NP which is 5-B and probably more or less scaling by...who them again, Pasionlip and such?

What i don't get for a while is that Tiamat is among those that she absorbed, whose 5-A here and she fought those like Gil at his full power who later goes on to fighting Kiara in her powered up form (that Heavens Hole form i guess idek?). Though Rep saying she was fearful of him kind of makes me question if we should use that as justification.

If BB by chance doesn't get a slight AP upgrade, i can go with us having the servants 5-A stats being added in addition their speeds as well as BB's and...i guess Kiara as well since she fights either Gil/Archer(Emiya)/Nero/Tamamoa(?)
 
Also take in mind that the 5-A feat comes from Kiara after absorbing the Alter Egos and becoming something closer to a True Demon.
 
Well upgrading her from 5-B to 5-A doesn't give her that much of an upgrade. She relies on hax anyway. Speed upgrade would help her more than that.
 
Well the fact that she can fight the Servants and Gil, even though she's weaker, doesn't mean she isn't in the same tier. As I remember, the tiers at higher levels are quite large and there should be room for her to be lower on that list.


As @SwagPack also stated though, several of her attacks and hax ignore durability anyways.
 
Fair enough. Though honestly speaking, her AP reasoning past the one involving her NP just looks really weird and complicated to me that it sounds like she COULD (keyword) be a possible 5-A.

But anyways, we might as well just ignore that then since I doubt that won't be achieved much. The ones I can definitely get by even without it is the servants 5-A AP addition to their Fate/Extra CCC key and having MFTL+ along with BB and Kiara more or less scaling to them.
 
So... if I'm reading everything correctly:

Nero, Tamamo, Archer, Gil - 5-A with SoL combat speed (BB makes repeated statements about moving at the speed of light as he plans to take over the Moon Cell) and MFTL+ travel speed and reactions (Traveled from Horsehead Nebula and positioned themselves between their Master and Kiara Sessyoi in minutes)

BB - At least 5-B, possibly 5-A (Fought the Root of the Beginning Servants, who could also clash with Kiara Sessyoi after she became an existence close to a True Demon), with SoL combat speed (Repeatedly accomplishes many of her tasks at the speed of light) and MFTL+ travel speed and reactions, possibly higher (Crossed a distance ranging from 404 to 38,000 Light Years in a short period of time, should be comparable to Root of the Beginning Servants)

Kiara - Everyone's scaling off her.

Everyone okay with this?
 
Well Gil's obviously already got his 5-A rating but yeah everything on the servants of the main story, yup.

BB, yeah that works fine too.

Kiara obviously enough, not much to say if anything.

Unless there's anything else to say, this looks pretty solid and okay to do.
 
Weren't we discussing possibility of MFTL+ reaction and combat speed, due to the servants actually flying which, according to our page, implies similar level of reaction and combat speed?
 
When it came to speed, I never understood why we can't scale GO servants to their vastly inferior Fate prototype servants.
 
@Gargoyle

For one, Grand Order Servants are necessarily inferior. Some of them are extremely broken (i.e. Arjuna and Scathach).

But this is not the thread for them and we are definitely not cross-scaling these speed feats to them. End of story.
 
It's not really cross scaling.

Yeah they are broken, hence why I said FP servants were inferior, but I'm done.
 
@Gargoyle

Not necessarily. You can't just generalize that Fate/Prototype Servants are inferior even though their feats are higher than their mainstream counterparts.
 
Okay outside of all that, i don't think we're getting any inputs on this AFAIK.

If nothing else later, we might as well apply the changes in the day or something...
 
@Galaxian: Well i kind of assume that we're waiting for like Kami or something on his thoughts of here. But seeing he hasn't said anything one whether he agrees or disagree, we may have to just go on without him.

But yes, you are correct in that the speed thing should be discussed in another, new one. And that this one is, for the most part at least, done with.
 
I guess i'm okay with this although would be MFTL+, doesn't it?

and also yes, the whole verse needs a speed revision.
 
@Kami: I think it's supposed to be like "MFTL+ Travel and Reaction speed", with the possibility of granting them MFTL+ combat speed to it.

Yeah, that too with the other...speed scaling...problems...that i keep discussing with Rep about in private...ho jo...
 
Well, it seems like no one's against it, so I'll start the revisions.
 
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