Hate to be the one to say this but if there are Infinite timelines to begin with and then 9000 are set to be pruned infinity minus 9000 is still infinity
Yeah for the first it's my fault.if I remember correctly, she simply linked and synchronized the personality of her CCC self, which should be from Extella's CCC mind you, since GO seems to adopt Extella's lore of Extra with Sefar and whatnot.
it is a separate world from Extra, but it is a rewritten version that works completely differently, which is the one GO seems to use. and the translations being the problem for inconsistencies is baseless and no evidence has been provided for such.
bruh
star rank started with CCC and has the most explanation. i would know since I've actually played the series many years ago.
the Regalia and it's purpose doesn't exist in Extra at all. the Moon Cell tries to delete Hakuno after she makes her wish.
gladly
he said he got weaker because he did absolutely nothing and just slept for a long time, along with having Hakuno as a master.
but we've seen Artoria's stats as a top Servant and the others. they are normal stats. I understand that doesn't mean the stat system is exactly the same as something like Stay Night or Grand Order, but it's clear in Extra that STAR rank stats are far superior to the others, which is what BB had before fusing with the Moon Cell even if memory serves, let alone whatever it was after. and before you mention the CCC Servants having normal stats, this was before their MMC. their stats were never shown after that beyond being equal to BB.
CCC takes place in the middle of Extra. it certainly is not a different timeline outside of Gilgamesh's, where Hakuno supposedly had a Berserker Servant. and Extella being different timelines isn't disproving my point, since that means the Extella timelines HEAVILY differ down to core mechanics than Extra. while I think Nasuverse canons are separate at this point with a rewrites like the Tsukihime Remake and Extella, even if we consider it different timelines, GO seems to abide by Extella's, which seems pretty darn fodder to Extra.
her existing across history. she clearly isn't multiversal from a combative standpoint. that's been shown.
the Tiamat listed on this wiki is solely 1-C, which is debunked entirely. and even with that, Gilgamesh then damaging her in GO would mean nothing if you're arguing that her sealed self isn't multiversal. so this point is a lose-lose.
you know I'm talking about her physical stats. her hax are another story entirely. but the main problem for the Servants once they acquire MMC is the fact BB is in control of the Moon Cell, which was a FAR worse realization to them than her absorbing the data of all of the Earth Mother Goddeses.
well there's multiple post to keep up with, so that's my mistake.
since when? i'd really like a source for that, because that's completely false.
Not sure if this is completely accurate or true as aside from the Wikipedia Page on Many Worlds Interpretation, I can’t been positive if this explanation is actually accurate as you have to actually cite MWI and assume it works that way.
Or they are hyperbolizing because people tend to do that when speaking. Usually, when we have a concise explanation of mechanics it is generally a better idea to use said explanation as opposed to more vague statements
Not sure about that. Even gilga in CCC have the class "archer" even if he no class.Extella Gil and CCC Gil are not the same, Extella Gil as aware of the events of CCC but he is evidently different considering that he is in an Archer container
Yes, however from what I have been told it seems like the original word used meant countless as opposed to infinite (which is supposedly important in Japanese). Even discarding that, this is not how the timelines operate. Hell, Goetia himself states the the energy in it is finite in London by comparing it to a billion Excaliburs
If there was an infinite amount of timelines then there would be no reason for pruning, since that is done in order to preserve energy and the structure of the solar system. It is quite literally impossible to have infinite timelines due to pruning
Most of these are statements from characters which very easily be dismissed as hyperbole since we have an actual explanation of how timelines work. Also, using Prillya statements is pointless due to this
I agree.
the main thing with Extra having infinite timelines is because the Moon Cell records infinite possibilities, whether they exist or not in the real world and so it's rating will never be affected. the Moon Cell's cosmology =/= the cosmology outside of it. whether the multiverse outside of the Moon Cell has infinite timelines is irrelevant to the Moon Cell because it stores infinite possibilities that could happen that don't even exist yet. though we do have statements from multiple older Nasuverse series of infinite timelines even outside of the Moon Cell that conflict with the current canon, which further proves there is no single unified canon anymore.
As I said, this sounds like an inconsolable difference in cosmologies.
oh I agree. the Tsukihime Remake kinda sealed the deal on the canons being entirely different anyways. GO scaling to Extra is massively contradicted by GO itself. and GO cannot be considered anti-feats to Extra since it has way too many multiversal feats and statements to be disproven that its own two games never contradict. GO scales to Extella's rewritten version of Extra at best.
Literally from his Matrix
The same thing happens in Extella as well. Timelines get pruned to conserve energy and the ones that get pruned are the least useful ones, these two statements are not mutually exclusive
Prisma works under completely different rules, there is no reason to try and compare it to mainline
This might be the case, since Nasu has gone out of his way to separate Fate and Tsuki timelines
Gonna hate it when the Nasuverse is in shambles due to the sheer amount of lore and complexity including need evidence of all the fictional series being connected to one another via WOG statements or in verse statement will also work. Both can happen though
i think OG Nasuverse is very consistent. it's just when you factor in the post-CCC era, which was the last of the original canon that things become messy and people think they are the same thing when they clearly aren't. outside of here where everyone is kinda forced to treat it as a unified canon, me and others tend to separate them into two different canons and mainly debate the old, which to a lot of us is Mahoutsukai no Yoru from 1996 (using the 2012 VN adaption since the novel isn't publicly release but canon) to CCC from 2013. everything after gets screwy and extremely contradictory with Extella and GO, among other things.
Not sure if you can define “OG Nasuverse”, but from my point of perspective, every single works in the Nasuverse does have their own inconsistencies. Minor or not. Even if the OG Nasuverse is being very consistent, that is a claim that can’t exactly been back up admittedly enough without solid evidences to back such a claim up.
i mean that's not really the point of this thread, but you can just read it for yourself. they can be different in terms of different timelines working differently like maybe having who's stronger than who changed around a bit or some mechanics, but that's just how the timelines can differ. but the core differences and rewrites between pre and post-Extella stuff is an entirely different level beyond just minor inconsistencies.
And we've seen artoria as top servant being the one that can kill sefar in nameless timeline. I men like i tell he used only one time and never got an explication of this, so i don't think that this can be served by much (other people that had moon cell control didn't get this thing).
It's tell to be a another timeline, it's not much different, pratically no work of fate are in same world.
It can't when she litteraly do the feat just after. And it doesn't exist an higher dimmensionnal point of time, like universe if record prove it, same with servant universe feat. That would not prove it too she have the same feat in Extella and like i tell for the 10k time, extra is getting a new update (it's not a remake so shouldn't get much change). If extra was written out of cannon, BB Would never be in Fgo same for extra even, (and not extella event), nor the sakura five, nor the extra CCC manga etc
Considering how Nasu and other writers are involved, it is a headache to deal with post CCC shenanigans especially if it is supported by Nasu and his folks there.
Not really for the last part because even in same work the contradict exist, fgo has mention of the two, extella too, and even extra. In first it's extella who mention the whole finite energy because system solar limit
I still don't see that. Anyways most od this will thing will be cleared when the Extra game will come. To see if nasu changed thing (tho will surely need to wait extra CCC and not extra)
True endings and endings where you finish the game are the canonical endings dude unless you think the bad ends in the FSN visual novels are canon and actually happened in which case to each his own I suppose
yet she has normal stats that aren't even STAR rank. how can normal Servant parameters be in the same league as Extra's original Moon Cell? it isn't and that's very clear.
CCC takes place in the middle of Extra on the Far Side. i literally don't know what to tell you beyond play the games. just because the majority of Fate works are different timelines does not mean all of them are. that's an arbitrary rule you made up.
i've already sent you the differences and you seemed speechless, since you didn't address the stuff like star rank and how no one in Extella even has those parameters, yet are still a threat to Moon Cell level beings.
pretty sure she was before. and obviously saying that CCC Amaterasu is a god-tier of CCC puts her way above anything GO has.
what does this have to do with anything? outside of Archetype-Earth, Extra Arcueid is superior to Tsukihime Arcueid. normal Tsukihime Arcueid isn't multiversal and doesn't have all the hax Extra Arc would have at her disposal via treating the Moon Cell as a reality marble and the core being apart of her already. and yes, Extra Arc and people below her would slap ORT from what we know of him both in the old era and the new GO era. if ORT was above the original Extra, no one in Grand Order could stop him even slightly.
then some of what you brought up is kinda irrelevant. it seemed you were implying that GO Gil scaled to CCC due to TIamat, despite not directly saying it. if not, we can drop this Tiamat stuff as a whole since we agree GO Gilgamesh does not scale to his CCC self.
the problem was Ten Crowns. but her getting in control of the Moon Cell obviously gave her way more hax and everyone temporarily gave up hope when they learned BB was fused with the Moon Cell, which didn't happen when they learned earlier that BB simply had Ten Crowns. clearly her fusion with the Moon Cell was the biggest deal.
Kiara gets a power boost against anyone that is not Hakuno. I agree. Kiara being on the level of Tiamat is just wrong though. Tiamat is not impressive at all. Kiara was compared to a god of universal scale (keep in mind the Moon Cell is of solar system scale by Nassuverse standards). Tiamat is nowhere near that. And BB compiled the data of all of the Earth Mother Goddesses, not just Tiamat. Tiamat in Extra is featless and is only name dropped. if we go by GO, Tiamat isn't multiversal at all and doesn't scale to anything in CCC.
there's a difference in minor contradictions (that Nasu has mostly solved in the pre-Extella days by separating the worlds like that of KnK and Tsukihime from each other) and the massive core differences of pre and post-Extella Nasuverse. they cannot mesh at all. it's impossible.
that Gilgamesh and co. scale to BB in AP equally or around the same, not stronger and not "far above" in Gilgamesh's case. that is it. that's all this minor revision wanted to accomplish. this wasn't meant to originally debunk why the canons are not unified until Tiamat was mentioned.
You got the wrong thing here of what i tell
I see
BB was already compared to the Earth Mother Goddesses (plural) before she even fused with the Moon Cell. Kiara was compared to a True Demon. that's a whole different level.
yeah, it's almost like GO doesn't scale to any of its Extra counterparts at all, even if it is the same canon because Extra timelines work so insanely different from Extella and GOs and are shown to be far superior.
the reason I'm mentioning it is because this site seems to treat even that Tiamat as multiversal. but unless Tiamat's true form is inconceivably beyond anything we've fought in GO, she is not properly multiversal due to anti-feats. higher dimensions need context on how they work. and GO cannot mooch off of Extra's Moon Cell descriptions of higher dimensions because even if they are the same canon (they aren't), Extra timelines clearly work far differently and the Moon Cell itself is its own cosmology separate from the outside world. like i said before, GO scales to Extella at best.
Because only BB had it and they just never used it anymore because it was quite stupid? You use a thing that was used only one time, and not even mentionned for being that was stronger than her as an argument.
Bruh now you go to litteraly contradict Nasu lol. Litteraly stated by herself, by the mat by nasu, by the game that she insanly weaker than in tsukihime. She litteraly tell to fell from her Type level to the simple level of a God and can't use much of her authority.
they never used it anymore because no one has reached star rank since CCC. saying "they stopped because it's stupid" is the most baseless and random assertion I've heard in a long time.
i don't buy it. prove it.
Arcueid and Amaterasu's stats have never been shown in CCC outside of an extremely restricted Beserker Arcueid with her sanity lost, control of the Moon Cell lost, and downgraded to a God with her abilities restricted. we haven't even seen the hypothetical stats of Berserker Arcueid with her sanity restored that was compared to Amatearsu, let alone her unrestricted. and we've never seen the stats of MMC Servants either. it's clear though they are all STAR rank since they scale to or above BB.
Nasu said she is insanely weaker than her unrestricted self in EXTRA. she was never compared to her Tsukihime self. her Tsukihime self is like multi-continental to planet level at best, ignoring Archetype-Earth. it even said that Berserker Arcueid is "no longer" the strongest due to all of her nerfs, meaning it was just saying her unrestricted is the strongest thing in Extra. again, there was no comparison between Extra and Tsukihime Arcueid.
you're the only one who hasn't read the story i'd reckon, as you have been disproven on many of your claims. you even said in another thread (unless I am mistaking you for someone else) that Gilgamesh never even uses Enkidu in CCC. and anyone who has actually played the game would know that couldn't be any more wrong.
Show the feat pls for BB
Arcueid have normal stat as berserker she stronger, amaterasu had normal energy compared thing she stronger. The stat of MMC guy didn't change when they had it etc.(otherwise we will get it in mat)
she was stated to have compiled her authority from MULTIPLE goddesses, referring to the Earth Mother Goddesses.
this is straight from her matrix in CCC.
Kiara was compared to Extra Buddha. that is it.
Extella's own version of CCC happened. you know that, right? this means nothing.
the outside world is the Universe of Observation. the Moon Cell is the Universe of Record with entirely different rules. this was made very clear in CCC if you played it.
i've mentioned the many inconsistencies and you just ignore them.
Arcueid as a normal Berserker without her sanity was just a strong Servant. nothing more. nothing less. the Berserker Arcueid that was compared to Amaterasu was with her sanity restored, which was hyped to be way beyond the Berserker Arcueid we fought, let alone the fully unrestricted Arcueid in Extra. the only stats we have of Extra Arcueid is the first one I mentioned, which doesn't scale to BB at all and is just a strong Servant.
Tamamo said she can treat it like a reality marble in Extra. Gatou said the Holy Grail, aka moon cell core is just apart of her already. but she's heavily nerfed as a Berserker in combination with Gatou's delusions of her, so she can't actually use any of it. the Berserker Arcueid compared to Amaterasu was again, a hypothetical one with her sanity restored, which would increase her capabilities massively.
Nasu explicitly stated the Arcueid from Extra is not the one from Tsukihime.
Extella's Moon Cell is threatened by beings with normal Servant parameters. and if GO is using Extella to scale to, then that also proves Extella is weaker since GO caps insanely below anything in the original Extra and CCC.
sorry. though to be fair, he came at me aggressively on his very first post. i'm also not angry or anything. just being blunt. but yeah, i'll tone it down.
She was not compared to them it's just litteraly she take their authority and she have do it when she merged with Moon cell not before.
