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"Above Igneel's Power+FDKM Natsu, likely above Ars Magia"
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I'm ok with this"Above Igneel's Power+FDKM Natsu, likely above Ars Magia"
Well I think that blood part would be more of a resistance than anything, and my biggest issue with scaling him to this is the fact that August could have been referring to Acnologia's full power and, honestly way more importantly, the fact that the High 6-A feat itself is basically an Environmental Destruction feat.Acno should scale above Ars Magia since nothing says that any of them actually know that Acno resists magic. The dura neg aspect just supports Acno scaling even more tbh since August doesn’t even think vaporising Acno’s blood will stop him.
Yeah I was thinking about the attack, and considering its wide spread over an area, it's not like human Ac would have to even tank the whole thing. He'd just have to tank the small part overtop of him. The only way I see human Ac hitting High 6-A is upscaling giant Gajeel.the fact that the High 6-A feat itself is basically an Environmental Destruction feat.
Again Acno is resistant to Magic as wellIt's still power based and It just doesn't make much sense for Acnologia to be below Ars Magia in any form considering how August handles Human Form Acnologia
Again Acno is resistant to Magic as well
Acno should scale above Ars Magia since nothing says that any of them actually know that Acno resists magic.
I understand that, but the attack still having an AP value should be good enough for someone to scale above the yield.KT, the High 6-A from Ars-Magia is essentially just Environmental Destruction. The part that actually attacks people is durability negation via blood vaporization
1)the 1st reason for suzuku tier is flawed because Natsu was already somewhat tired from previous fight, he was not at his full power.With all this, I think that the aforementioned characters should no longer be scaled to High 6-A. Instead, I propose that they be scaled to “At least Low 6-B”, scaling above Zeref as they did in the past.
Thoughts?
If the yield is just Environmental Destruction, it’s completely unreliable for scaling.I understand that, but the attack still having an AP value should be good enough for someone to scale above the yield.
The point isn't that he's superior to what August can focus on specific people, I think the point the others are trying to make is that it's superior to whatever he can wield period
Acno told Erza, Wendy, Jellal and Blue Pegasus when he nommed their attacks. You can say that Zeref might have known since he was certain that he and Mavis would never beat Acno but he also wasn’t handing out info like candy on Halloween since a limited form of END surprised Dimaria by moving in timestop which makes no sense when Zeref is the one who gave END his powers and can just read the book.Wait then how did they find out that Acno resists magic? let’s not forget that this is august and Irene who are very smart people and is around Zeref who had the most knowledge in the world and even was gonna take him on himself
The Low 6-B isn't an upscale. Dragon Form Irene scales to Low 6-B now instead of High 6-C, Base Zeref scales above that, DF+FDKM Natsu scales to Low 6-B+ with the 4x multiplier. The 6-B would be upscaling from the Low 6-B+Possible high 6-A should be fine, but i am iffy on upscaling the to 6-B , since the low 6-B has a upscale on it as well
The low 6-B rating that natsu has come from a chain of multipliers stacked on top of the 4,0 gigatons to 4,3 gigatons upscaleThe Low 6-B isn't an upscale. Dragon Form Irene scales to Low 6-B now instead of High 6-C, Base Zeref scales above that, DF+FDKM Natsu scales to Low 6-B+ with the 4x multiplier. The 6-B would be upscaling from the Low 6-B+
It's just be 6-B, since upscalingAt least 6-B is what I'm going with
Why "At Least"? Aren't they just Baseline or slightly above Baseline?At least 6-B is what I'm going with
Weakened Aldoron is High 6-A and above the Human FormsDoesn’t Aldo have country feats? Just scale em there since that Aldo was weakened.
Why tho? He is weakened and stated to not have his OG power which Merc said was less than Selene’s flex. Why would we take Aldo’s “slightly weaker” statement over Merc’s when Merc is being an unbiased third party and doesn’t have the same cockiness of Aldo. Never fully awakening = he was not necessarily High 6-A, Aldosmol only shows up after Wolfen was beaten and his statement about being weakened is after Metro dies. Being slight weaker doesn’t necessarily mean that he is comparing Awake Aldoron to his current self.Weakened Aldoron is High 6-A and above the Human Forms
Dragon Force Natsu is explicitly said to have a Magic Power comparable to Igneel, who fought Acnologia toe to toeWhy tho? He is weakened and stated to not have his OG power which Merc said was less than Selene’s flex. Why would we take Aldo’s “slightly weaker” statement over Merc’s when Merc is being an unbiased third party and doesn’t have the same cockiness of Aldo. Never fully awakening = he was not necessarily High 6-A, Aldosmol only shows up after Wolfen was beaten and his statement about being weakened is after Metro dies. Being slight weaker doesn’t necessarily mean that he is comparing Awake Aldoron to his current self.
Merc says Human Selene > 50% Merc and Weakened Aldoron, Aldosmol’s statement is vague and can easily refer to the drop he suffered from Metro dying. There isn’t anything to say he is High 6-A.
Push? If by that you mean “reconcile everything we were told and not dismissing statements out of hand” then yes, I am “pushing” for this. What you are doing is the akin to people calling stuff outliers and not even trying to make everything work.This just sounds like an attempt to push the scaling above Weakened Aldoron through any means necessary. Aldoron was only somewhat weakened, that's actually more trustworthy because he knows his own magic power and how the God Seeds work.
No, that Natsu is stated to have flames with the properties of Igneel’s. If you want to say that he has magic power comparable to Igneel, that same statement would also say he has magic power comparable to Atlas Flame.Dragon Force Natsu is explicitly said to have a Magic Power comparable to Igneel, who fought Acnologia toe to toe
He directly compares the power she is showing off to both his and Aldoron’s weakened states and saying she is above them. Your Dragon form point is irrelevant as she doesn’t use it at all and is just using her Human form. It just places her Human Form > above their weakened Dragon Forms.Merc doesn't say that Selene's current power is above them, all he said is that she has the true power of a Dragon God, which we know is their Dragon Forms, I don't see how the Human Forms are the True Power of a Dragon God when the Human Forms fodder to Dragon Forms
I’m fine with this except my issue is that the 6-B isn’t from Weakened Aldo but upscaling from Zeref.Once again, "At least 6-B, likely/possibly High 6-A" for the compromise mates
As it should be 👁👁I’m fine with this except my issue is that the 6-B isn’t from Weakened Aldo but upscaling from Zeref.