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Base forms, except Ethan has armor. Speed is equalized because a fat dude is clearly slower than an anime character.
Ethan (PAYDAY):
Shirou Emiya:
Ethan (PAYDAY):
Shirou Emiya:
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Ethan vs Shirou
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Can anyone tell me what Shirou does first?
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He starts by replicating Kanshou and Bakuya, iirc
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If no K&B, he reinforces a pipe or whatever he can find.
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Considering base shirou is his 9-C form I don't think he can even summon k&b
If he can though he one shots as they are 7-B
If he can though he one shots as they are 7-B
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He probably cant then
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I'm also pretty sure base shirou has like
0 fights that show what he can do so idk
0 fights that show what he can do so idk
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Base Shirou seems a little odd to assume he can project K&B cuz I think at that point is when this is right before and just after becoming Saber's master.
If the justifications are anything, he only has whatever he can grab like Blank said (a lead pipe or maybe a poster) to reinforce. Even that of a ruler or whatever. Nothing like K&B or Caliburn that he can project at this stage.
If the justifications are anything, he only has whatever he can grab like Blank said (a lead pipe or maybe a poster) to reinforce. Even that of a ruler or whatever. Nothing like K&B or Caliburn that he can project at this stage.
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SBA means Shirou is reinforcing a branch. What stuff does Ethan have/lead with?
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He doesn't have it in base form
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Why isn't that removed yet it's hax based defensive BFR not durability
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Why isn't that removed yet it's hax based defensive BFR not durability
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Because it still shuts out interference on that level
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@Monarch (Shrugs)
Wouldn't Shirou's Wall level Dura be a problem for Ethan? At least w/o any equipment he has of the moment, which going here he's very likely to have something like a gun to use it against him.
Wouldn't Shirou's Wall level Dura be a problem for Ethan? At least w/o any equipment he has of the moment, which going here he's very likely to have something like a gun to use it against him.
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His arrows work on people with wall level durability iirc
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Wall? Shirou is Street level in Base
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@Iap Oh yeah, I can see that working for sure.
In that case, I'm going with Ethan. While I WOULD assume Shirou could use his reinforcement magecraft to reinforce his body's dura, I don't believe he has anything that would allow him to attack Ethan if the latter's gonna be attacking him at a distance.
At least that's what I assume if Shirou's strat is to fight up close with a reinforced pipe or poster or ruler, whatever he can use in his hand at this stage.
Edit @Blank IDEK, it was written like that for a while there so...
In that case, I'm going with Ethan. While I WOULD assume Shirou could use his reinforcement magecraft to reinforce his body's dura, I don't believe he has anything that would allow him to attack Ethan if the latter's gonna be attacking him at a distance.
At least that's what I assume if Shirou's strat is to fight up close with a reinforced pipe or poster or ruler, whatever he can use in his hand at this stage.
Edit @Blank IDEK, it was written like that for a while there so...
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Not for his durabilityAnonymousBlank said:
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I vote Ethan for QB's reasons
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Voting Ethan as well. He has too much range for Shirou to handle who only has melee available.
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Shirou has range. He could throw a curveball and throw a pipe.
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I know he has a lot of pipes but I don't see him throwing one 300 yards before he gets sniped by a pistol.
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I'm pretty sure shirou actually can't do anything to win considering
His base can only reinforce nearby objects
Speed is equalized so he won't be closing the gap anytime soon
He has no ranged options
He is also 9-C while Ethan with equipment is 9-B
His base can only reinforce nearby objects
Speed is equalized so he won't be closing the gap anytime soon
He has no ranged options
He is also 9-C while Ethan with equipment is 9-B
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If you are looking for him to have a win con, does he have Avalon's healing available? That would actually let him make some progress without getting gunned down almost immediately while still leaving him able to die via head shot which isn't actually that hard for Ethan.
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I don't think so avalons healing as stated by kiritsugu only works when saber is nearAnonymousBlank said:
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Near is very vague term seeing as it worked for Iri when Saber was hundreds of meters, if not a few km, away fighting Caster. Kiritsugu also had access to the healing when Saber was off fighting Lancelot hundreds of meters away and even used it to heal Shirou after she had disappeared around an hour previously.
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She needs to be summoned at least. After she disappeared, that was just residual energy.
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Base Shirou's go-to is to reinforce the closest thing to a weapon that he can find and use it in melee. He won't risk throwing his weapon unless he's desperate, since he then risks not being able to find another improvised weapon and succeed in reinforcing it. Remember that 9-C Shirou is pathetically unskilled, since his reinforcement has a success rate of ~40% at best. This miserable success rate is also why he won't reinforce his body, because if he fails, he kills himself.
It's honestly fairer to use Shirou's other keys and just restrict his projections to non-NPs. At least then he can use his abilities without relying on luck a lot of the time.
It's honestly fairer to use Shirou's other keys and just restrict his projections to non-NPs. At least then he can use his abilities without relying on luck a lot of the time.
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What Solacis said. After all Shirou is not much better than his usual self later as long as he doesn't pull out an NP, except for the fact he can actually use reinforcement better and Saber taught him how to fight better.
Also, he can use that Projection/Reinforcement intermediary technique to turn branches into an okay set of bow and arrows.
Also, he can use that Projection/Reinforcement intermediary technique to turn branches into an okay set of bow and arrows.
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Maybe we can just up the shirou we are using
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You mean use another form?
Sure, but I need help for calcing the PAYDAY gang's Wall level feats in cutscenes and cinematics. Xtasyamphetamine told me off site that we shouldn't use gameplay feats because they're "absurd" according to him, like a shotgun ragdolling someone high up in the sky because of glitches or huge boosts in the weapons.
Sure, but I need help for calcing the PAYDAY gang's Wall level feats in cutscenes and cinematics. Xtasyamphetamine told me off site that we shouldn't use gameplay feats because they're "absurd" according to him, like a shotgun ragdolling someone high up in the sky because of glitches or huge boosts in the weapons.
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Game Play feats are fine as long as it is reflecting story
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You miss understand. Say that an explosion went off in gameplay that wasn't effected by glitches or anything. You could calc that explosion potentially. Of course, context matters
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