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Eternal Fall (The Lich vs Acererak)

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VIZION99 said:
Ok fine but how is Acererak going to deal with The Lich's Acausality?
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all of whom are implied to be connected via the mind
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The Lich genuinely doesn't even get past the Ghostly Guardian which paralyses it through layered fear hax, on top of the fact the way D&D works, souls = minds

By affecting one lich, as they are all connected by the same mind, Acererak would in turn affect all. Magic in D&D can even interact with creatures through all infinite planes (weird form of interdimensional range). So as long as each lich share a mind, Acererak affects them all.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
The Lich genuinely doesn't even get past the Ghostly Guardian which paralyses it through layered fear hax, on top of the fact the way D&D works, souls = minds

By affecting one lich, as they are all connected by the same mind, Acererak would in turn affect all. Magic in D&D can even interact with creatures through all infinite planes (weird form of interdimensional range). So as long as each lich share a mind, Acererak affects them all.
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Ok fine but how is Acererak going to deal with Lich's immorality and Abstract Existence?
 
VIZION99 said:
Ok fine but how is Acererak going to deal with Lich's immorality and Abstract Existence?
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LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Let me preface the following with this: Acererak is a genius asshole of incredible proportions. Not only does he have enough intelligence (27 intelligence) to look at a Beholder (17 intelligence), one of the most paranoid creatures in existence (meaning they can make incredibly elaborate plans to counter virtually any situation, no matter how unlikely), as something lesser than even the way a human (10 intelligence) can see a random crab (1 intelligence), his intelligence enters the realm of the supernatural, which grants him the natural ability to completely predict an opponents actions.

This godly level of intelligence makes Acererak act with the utmost care. Acererak does not go and fight personally (not usually), but instead prefers to act through proxies/avatars/bodies. This is such a case for the Demilich skull. This physical skull is likely from Acererak's original body (stated tied to the dust from his old bones, that were discarded from his physical form). Should be noted however, this skull is not the true Acererak (his true phylactery and essence is beyond the Tomb of Horrors, in the Tower of Conclusion within the Negative Energy Plane/Shadowfell):

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So what the Lich will be fighting here is a constructed avatar of Acererak, while his true self is watching, elsewhere. The demilich skull exists within 5 planes of existence (as a construct requiring a weapon of +5 modifier), which means for it to receive damage physically, one needs to attack it across all these planes at the same time. Moreover, this skull is stated immune to virtually all forms of magic, besides specific spells (for the abilities these spells would entail on Vs Battles-lingo: Memory Manipulation, Holy Manipulation, Death Manipulation and Power Nullification). But the skull, as an actual creature, possesses resistance to these abilities. Not only does the skull resist all of these, but in fact, as accepted on the hax layer evaluation thread, these are layered. Specifically, the Demilich skull resistance layers varies from 14 to 18 layers (a base resistance starts at 11, the construct has defenses of 25-29).

With all these being said, the construct skull harbors a ghostly guardian. One who goes on to fight the skull has to contend against a ghost born from the bone-dust of Acererak. Anytime it is attacked, it gives the illusion of being dispersed, but instead the attacker is fueling the apparition, until it manifests fully as a ghost on the Ethereal Plane. The ghost can age a target (which the Lich doesn't care), make it flee in terror (while the Lich normally resists, its resistances seem to be baseline, while a typical ghost in D&D has at its lowest, around 2 layers) or trap its soul (layered).

Note: Undead/souls in D&D predate reality, being formed of entropy, with those like ghosts being among the most powerful, with souls in particular being completely immortal. Beings of similar existences to ghosts include shadows

While the ghost attacks, the demilich skull has abilities of its own it can employ. As shown here, the demilich has a fear aura that can nerf resistances, rays of death energy that renders souls (necrotic energy), as well as the ability to absorb and trap souls within its gems. All of these are layered, of course. When a demilich consumes a soul, its body crumbles away and if the skull its destroyed, the soul also is destroyed.

So the Lich has to contend with this, while Acererak watches. He is in control of both the ghost and the demilich skull. He will want to get information about the Lich, its abilities, its equipment.

And fun fact, the Lich can't even hope to find him. You see, Acererak is adept as making his true form unfindable through divination effects, and not even deities can find something which he wants hidden. Presumably (though not specified), not even beings of this caliber can find him. So neither clairvoyance or cosmic awareness of the Lich can find Acererak. This gives him time to prepare, and boi is he a prep master.

Acererak is capable of creating bodies from those of dead gods and pilot them into combat, while absorbing their divinity to ascend. If he is stopped/destroyed, he immediately goes to his true body and attempts to ascend anyways (note: while he is noted to have the Eye of Vecna here, this is not noted on his profile nor is a normal occurrence), fighting to the end if it comes to it.

Acererak is capable of killing and sealing deities, and while these beings are noted as weak, for being capable of granting spells, they are of similar nature to demi-gods such as Doresain or Hercules. Gods in general have a slew of broken abilities
Note: these blogs are kinda outdated (like Acererak himself), but serve to showcase the kind of beings Acererak can contend with.

Adding to all this, Acererak has access to a Sphere of Annihilation that can erase the Lich and completely kill it (negging its immortality). Alongside it, Acererak has at his disposal an Atropal, to which he can feed the Lich's soul/essence, again negging its immortality and regeneration.

All in all, Acererak (and even his lesser bodies) completely resist the Lich and his abilities save for one (The Enchiridion's plot manip), with a myriad ways he can kill it. And all of this ignores stuff like Far Realm spells (of which he undoubtedly has access to and/or can conjure through Wish).

I'm frankly seeing this as bordering on a stomp, depending on how the Plot Manipulation works. It's quite frankly a mismatch. Either Acererak stomps completely, Enchiridion or not or the Lich himself stomps with plot manip.

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All of the scans used here with their respective sources can be found here
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Read the section on deities
 
VIZION99 said:
Can Lich's superior stats help him in the fight?
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Unfortunately, he lacks the range to even affect the demilich skull with his physical blows or attacks. Only the Enchiridion could affect it, the problem is the skull resists everything from it besides the plot manipulation.

Acererak meanwhile is watching everything from afar studying what the Lich does.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Unfortunately, he lacks the range to even affect the demilich skull with his physical blows or attacks. Only the Enchiridion could affect it, the problem is the skull resists everything from it besides the plot manipulation.

Acererak meanwhile is watching everything from afar studying what the Lich does.
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True but I forgot to mention something, The Lich doesn't just embody evil but is evil itself which means in order for Acererak to destroy the Lich is to destroy the concept of evil itself but I don't think he can do that.
 
VIZION99 said:
True but I forgot to mention something, The Lich doesn't just embody evil but is evil itself which means in order for Acererak to destroy the Lich is to destroy the concept of evil itself but I don't think he can do that.
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The Lich is only a type 2 abstract. Acererak kills Type 1. The Lich only has up to mid godly regen. Acererak negates mid godly regen outright.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
The Lich is only a type 2 abstract. Acererak kills Type 1. The Lich only has up to mid godly regen. Acererak negates mid godly regen outright.
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The Lich doesn't have the things you're talking about.
VIZION99 said:
True but I forgot to mention something, The Lich doesn't just embody evil but is evil itself which means in order for Acererak to destroy the Lich is to destroy the concept of evil itself but I don't think he can do that.
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That's doesn't true
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
I have checked the history. @VIZION99 indeed snuck in the immortality and abstract existence. I will make a report soon, as it's definitely intentional vandalism based on the timing of the edit with his arguments in this match.
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Taking a look at the history, he used my Crt from 1 year ago to legitimize the things he added. But these had already been rejected there. He also tried to add the same things to the profile again before. So yes, that's an vandalism, gg
 
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Aolphl said:
Unfortunately, I refrain from doing this, as there is a complete uproar on Adventure Time profiles. I'm working on my sandboxes to make the verse better in line with our standards, but if you still want me to give a vote, I'm going on with Acererak.
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It's mostly to get the match concluded, since poor Pepper has been bumping for half a year at this point

Thank you regardless ayy
 
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