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End of season I Equal Stats: Luffy vs Goku vs Ichigo vs Naruto
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That’s how haki works too… and probably an even bigger amp than the kamehameha so wtf is your point..
This is why people hate arguing with dbz fans omg. It’s = stats = Ap with no stat boosts man. Why can’t we just have a fair fun match.
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I'm gonna leave a long comment here
Everyone here can win depending on certain variables
Let's get the 5 days prep outta the way
According to the AP their stats are equal AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 5 DAYS prep so anyone of them can train and improve to create a gap in stats if they so choose to
Goku and Luffy would most likely spend most if not all of training their butt off rather than reading and studying about their opponent and we all know those two hate to study and would prefer to throw fist instead. More than likely they are gonna have the Stats advantage when the time comes to fight.
Goku I feel would be getting way more than luffy cause Saiyan Physiology but luffy would develop way more battle strategies and techniques given his surprising creativity
Ichigo and Naruto would more than likely spend their time researching their opponent's skills developing and improving their overall abilities to counter them. Whenever naruto and ichigo trains they hardly ever do it to improve their stats but more over to improve their technique.
Naruto would have the edge in improvement as naruto is more the self improvement type than ichigo as ichigo hardly ever trains by HIMSELF. And I think Ichigo would have the tactical advantage cause of all these three he actually went to school. Then again Naruto does tend to be more unexpectedly clever and Ichigo hardly ever has a strategy and goes in guns blazing.
With that outta the way to the wincons
Goku:
Goku's ability to get stronger is on a unheard of level that far surpasses the others and given that this is end of series, goku can without a shred of doubt become 10x stronger, more durable and faster during prep especially considering that when goku trains it's on levels that far exceeds the others and his stat growth as well. Stats may be equalized at the beginning of the prep but after the prep goku is more than likely gonna be able to one shot and speed blitz. The accelerated development of saiyans is no joke especially if it is end of series which it is. IT is even worse cause if anything goku can instant one shot everyone or just bfr them in the vacuum of space
Even if we dismissed the speed blitz one shot. Without a doubt goku is definitely gonna be the fastest and strongest one hear. With god forms he can't be sensed even by the god of sensing naruto. Given goku has all of his manta and anime abilities goku can rapid spam ki attacks that's gonna be a pain in the butt for everyone to dodge, though I guess naruto could absorb if he could react fast enough. Goku has ranged deconstruction which if he uses and given he'll have the speed advantage cause 5 days training naruto and ichigo would most likely be aware because they did actual research but might not be fast enough to react and even if they are goku can spam and hit them eventually. Luffy could dodge it but given luffy's use of the prep time he may not know about it and may just get deconstructed, oh wait he has precog.
Honestly naruto and ichigo would know a lot about goku's abilities and powers do to doing actual research but given that goku would have the edge in speed and strength they would be too slow and too weak to do anything about it. Most of their arsenal would miss and goku would have many opportunities to chip away at them til they both drop. Naruto may have a healing factor but it isn't infinite and takes up chakra to use which isn't infinite either.
Luffy honestly stands a chance against goku cause luffy would train up his stats to be comparable but given how ridiculously strong saiyans can get with training and more so that this is end of series goku, goku could speed blitz one shot luffy if he resorts to ki attacks which as you all know can destroy beings on a atomic level (buu can regenerate from vapor particles and he was destroyed) and I highly doubt luffy can withstand energy attacks on that scale. If Anything goku could bfr luffy in the ocean.
Luffy does have precog but seeing isn't reacting. Just cause he knows what goku will do doesn't mean that he'll be fast enough to it and given goku reactive power level, he's only gonna get stronger and faster as the fight drags on.
Naruto:
Naruto has supreme field awareness advantage so nothing is catching him off guard.
Against Ichigo, naruto has more of a chance to win given most of his abilities aren't that complicated and most of naruto's arsenal counters. Naruto isn't a quick study though so he'd most likely only know the general fundamentals of ichigo's abilities but for naruto that's enough. Ichigo's bread and butter is energy attacks, which naruto can power null or absorb or dodge and given naruto is more of a self improvement type more than ichigo I'd imagine he'd have better stats and given that fact ichigo really has nothing.
Against Luffy, luffy would had the better stats so naruto is really gonna have to use his brain on this one. He can keep luffy at bay with nine tails charkra extensions, or cover himself in scalding heat or lava or acid, wrap himself in tsb. If puffy never did his home work and given luffy that's highly possible, he could attack the tsb not knowing what it is and gets erased instantly (this would probably never happen though given precog). To get at puffy naruto is really gonna have to try. Naruto can fly with 5000 clones all of which can surround luffy and when the opportunity comes he can EE with tsb. Luffy can precog but given the sheer overwhelming numbers and AoE spam attacks an opportunity would arrive sooner than later. Luffy can fly faster (cause training) but not longer so there is that and given luffy won't be able to touch naruto cause tsb, lava or acid. Honestly luffy can only just keep his distance in this case cause getting to close to naruto he can get countered in many ways and given Naruto flight superiority he can just nuke with thousands of rasen shuriken, precog won't make those go away and luffy's only chance would be to outrun the AoE if he's fast enough.
Against Goku, naruto would be on the defensive at all times. Goku is gonna be way faster and stronger and will only keep getting better as the fight drags on. Naruto's only chance is to just wrap himself in tsb and hope goku is stupid enough to try punching before blasting.
Ichigo:
Against naruto, ichigo has no real advantage other than his intelligence. His stats are gonna be lower and all his means of attack get countered easily. He will no naruto's moves so that can by some time but if naruto decides to overwhelm with numbers, ichigo is gonna have alot to deal with under serious pressure. Most of ichigo's arsenal can only keep naruto at bay and not for long either so he's gonna need to think up some really good plot induced strategy for this one.
Against Luffy, he could lose as well given that nothing ichigo does is new to luffy. Even if puffy spends his prep just training and buffing up himself, he's gonna be just fine with battle exp and stat gap. Plus with precog Luffy is gonna be a serious pain in the ass. Luffy is gonna be faster and with precog he's nigh untouchable.
Against Goku, goku is gonna pore all of his prep time into training and is gonna become op AF. He can speed blitz one shot no problem and even if he can't he's gonna be unquestionably faster and stronger. Nothing ichigo is gonna do is gonna work. Goku dodges Ichigo attacks and just power nulls/absorbs/dodge energy attacks.
Luffy
Goku is gonna have stat advantage so yeah. All of luffy attacks are dodged and even then ain't doing dick. Luffy can keep goku at bay with precog but goku is only gonna get faster and stronger til the point precog is useless.
Luffy only means of attack are physical and that's his biggest shortcoming cause goku rules that category.
Naruto
I explained it before but essentially naruto's arsenal is gonna keep luffy at bay and given luffy only attack option is physical, he's gonna be overwhelmed real quick real fast. Luffy can fly but not for long and Naruto can fly infinitely and given naruto sensory power luffy can't escape his sight. Luffy stat advantage may give him some leverage but not enough to get at naruto.
Ichigo
Luffy can decimate with stat advantage and battle exp and precognition.
Anyways my final opinion on the matter
Goku more often that not because of prep time stat advantage along with analytical predictions. Energy Absorption and Power Null and perception immunity via god ki
Naruto a good margin depending on well he utilizes shadow clones and tsb and multi spam AoE
Luffy a good Margin against ichigo, not likely against naruto, even less likely against goku. Precog can keep opponent's at bay and may serve in actuality of battles
Ichigo, lose most cases than anyone else do to predictability, stat gap and low versatility
Everyone here can win depending on certain variables
Let's get the 5 days prep outta the way
According to the AP their stats are equal AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 5 DAYS prep so anyone of them can train and improve to create a gap in stats if they so choose to
Goku and Luffy would most likely spend most if not all of training their butt off rather than reading and studying about their opponent and we all know those two hate to study and would prefer to throw fist instead. More than likely they are gonna have the Stats advantage when the time comes to fight.
Goku I feel would be getting way more than luffy cause Saiyan Physiology but luffy would develop way more battle strategies and techniques given his surprising creativity
Ichigo and Naruto would more than likely spend their time researching their opponent's skills developing and improving their overall abilities to counter them. Whenever naruto and ichigo trains they hardly ever do it to improve their stats but more over to improve their technique.
Naruto would have the edge in improvement as naruto is more the self improvement type than ichigo as ichigo hardly ever trains by HIMSELF. And I think Ichigo would have the tactical advantage cause of all these three he actually went to school. Then again Naruto does tend to be more unexpectedly clever and Ichigo hardly ever has a strategy and goes in guns blazing.
With that outta the way to the wincons
Goku:
Goku's ability to get stronger is on a unheard of level that far surpasses the others and given that this is end of series, goku can without a shred of doubt become 10x stronger, more durable and faster during prep especially considering that when goku trains it's on levels that far exceeds the others and his stat growth as well. Stats may be equalized at the beginning of the prep but after the prep goku is more than likely gonna be able to one shot and speed blitz. The accelerated development of saiyans is no joke especially if it is end of series which it is. IT is even worse cause if anything goku can instant one shot everyone or just bfr them in the vacuum of space
Even if we dismissed the speed blitz one shot. Without a doubt goku is definitely gonna be the fastest and strongest one hear. With god forms he can't be sensed even by the god of sensing naruto. Given goku has all of his manta and anime abilities goku can rapid spam ki attacks that's gonna be a pain in the butt for everyone to dodge, though I guess naruto could absorb if he could react fast enough. Goku has ranged deconstruction which if he uses and given he'll have the speed advantage cause 5 days training naruto and ichigo would most likely be aware because they did actual research but might not be fast enough to react and even if they are goku can spam and hit them eventually. Luffy could dodge it but given luffy's use of the prep time he may not know about it and may just get deconstructed, oh wait he has precog.
Honestly naruto and ichigo would know a lot about goku's abilities and powers do to doing actual research but given that goku would have the edge in speed and strength they would be too slow and too weak to do anything about it. Most of their arsenal would miss and goku would have many opportunities to chip away at them til they both drop. Naruto may have a healing factor but it isn't infinite and takes up chakra to use which isn't infinite either.
Luffy honestly stands a chance against goku cause luffy would train up his stats to be comparable but given how ridiculously strong saiyans can get with training and more so that this is end of series goku, goku could speed blitz one shot luffy if he resorts to ki attacks which as you all know can destroy beings on a atomic level (buu can regenerate from vapor particles and he was destroyed) and I highly doubt luffy can withstand energy attacks on that scale. If Anything goku could bfr luffy in the ocean.
Luffy does have precog but seeing isn't reacting. Just cause he knows what goku will do doesn't mean that he'll be fast enough to it and given goku reactive power level, he's only gonna get stronger and faster as the fight drags on.
Naruto:
Naruto has supreme field awareness advantage so nothing is catching him off guard.
Against Ichigo, naruto has more of a chance to win given most of his abilities aren't that complicated and most of naruto's arsenal counters. Naruto isn't a quick study though so he'd most likely only know the general fundamentals of ichigo's abilities but for naruto that's enough. Ichigo's bread and butter is energy attacks, which naruto can power null or absorb or dodge and given naruto is more of a self improvement type more than ichigo I'd imagine he'd have better stats and given that fact ichigo really has nothing.
Against Luffy, luffy would had the better stats so naruto is really gonna have to use his brain on this one. He can keep luffy at bay with nine tails charkra extensions, or cover himself in scalding heat or lava or acid, wrap himself in tsb. If puffy never did his home work and given luffy that's highly possible, he could attack the tsb not knowing what it is and gets erased instantly (this would probably never happen though given precog). To get at puffy naruto is really gonna have to try. Naruto can fly with 5000 clones all of which can surround luffy and when the opportunity comes he can EE with tsb. Luffy can precog but given the sheer overwhelming numbers and AoE spam attacks an opportunity would arrive sooner than later. Luffy can fly faster (cause training) but not longer so there is that and given luffy won't be able to touch naruto cause tsb, lava or acid. Honestly luffy can only just keep his distance in this case cause getting to close to naruto he can get countered in many ways and given Naruto flight superiority he can just nuke with thousands of rasen shuriken, precog won't make those go away and luffy's only chance would be to outrun the AoE if he's fast enough.
Against Goku, naruto would be on the defensive at all times. Goku is gonna be way faster and stronger and will only keep getting better as the fight drags on. Naruto's only chance is to just wrap himself in tsb and hope goku is stupid enough to try punching before blasting.
Ichigo:
Against naruto, ichigo has no real advantage other than his intelligence. His stats are gonna be lower and all his means of attack get countered easily. He will no naruto's moves so that can by some time but if naruto decides to overwhelm with numbers, ichigo is gonna have alot to deal with under serious pressure. Most of ichigo's arsenal can only keep naruto at bay and not for long either so he's gonna need to think up some really good plot induced strategy for this one.
Against Luffy, he could lose as well given that nothing ichigo does is new to luffy. Even if puffy spends his prep just training and buffing up himself, he's gonna be just fine with battle exp and stat gap. Plus with precog Luffy is gonna be a serious pain in the ass. Luffy is gonna be faster and with precog he's nigh untouchable.
Against Goku, goku is gonna pore all of his prep time into training and is gonna become op AF. He can speed blitz one shot no problem and even if he can't he's gonna be unquestionably faster and stronger. Nothing ichigo is gonna do is gonna work. Goku dodges Ichigo attacks and just power nulls/absorbs/dodge energy attacks.
Luffy
Goku is gonna have stat advantage so yeah. All of luffy attacks are dodged and even then ain't doing dick. Luffy can keep goku at bay with precog but goku is only gonna get faster and stronger til the point precog is useless.
Luffy only means of attack are physical and that's his biggest shortcoming cause goku rules that category.
Naruto
I explained it before but essentially naruto's arsenal is gonna keep luffy at bay and given luffy only attack option is physical, he's gonna be overwhelmed real quick real fast. Luffy can fly but not for long and Naruto can fly infinitely and given naruto sensory power luffy can't escape his sight. Luffy stat advantage may give him some leverage but not enough to get at naruto.
Ichigo
Luffy can decimate with stat advantage and battle exp and precognition.
Anyways my final opinion on the matter
Goku more often that not because of prep time stat advantage along with analytical predictions. Energy Absorption and Power Null and perception immunity via god ki
Naruto a good margin depending on well he utilizes shadow clones and tsb and multi spam AoE
Luffy a good Margin against ichigo, not likely against naruto, even less likely against goku. Precog can keep opponent's at bay and may serve in actuality of battles
Ichigo, lose most cases than anyone else do to predictability, stat gap and low versatility
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Hell no, the verses would include the ones like Soul King and Yhwach, Goku ain't defeat them
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In skill bro, not power and abilities. Just skill
Unless moustache can has better skill, well you know what.
Vegeta beats yhwach, he has a better moustache
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My point is that kamehameha amps your stat, so does haki, I don't see the problem here.
Unless you want to restrict one of gokus main attacks because: stat no fair.
Then do it.
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I mean, u said that he would solo the verses with skill alone
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What the **** are you on about. Luffy trained for a couple of days and got such an extreme boost to go from being 1-shot to able to deal real damage against Kaido.
Luffy literally has 1-shot capability with ryou if he hits you in a good area. Please if you don’t know or understand the characters full abilities just stop.
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I’m not saying restrict it… I’m saying just remove the stat boost from it.
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Yes in wano currently he uses ryou a lot.
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As in skill context, he has better skills.
Like if everyone can just use thier skills and martial arts, he would beat them.
i am not stupid enough to say he solos with skill.
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it makes me to see what was going to happen in a martial art of Garou vs Goku, i will do that match in the fun and games cuz stat equal cant be allowed
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That would be fun actually-
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And goku went from 3-A to low 2-C in a span of less than 20+ minutes.
He went from getting his blows blocked with one finger and getting literally defeated from a glare to making jiren bend over-
Your point?
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Do you REALLY wanna compare that to goku's level of development
The same goku who in 5 DAYS went from being High 5A to Low 4C and in 5 DAYS went from Relativistic+ to MFTL...
Luffy can improve
But not as fast as goku
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explain
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Goku's trip to namek took six days of which goku only trained for five
Before the trip goku and training on said trip goku was High 5A and Relativistic+ during the Vegeta saga
When goku arrived on Namek it was the Ginyu saga which the Wiki records goku's strength at Low 4C and speed at FTL and MFTL with kioken
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Poop
I'll wait for OP to come hear and confirm that
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He trained with a higher gravity who gives better results than Normal training
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Yup I’m sure the op would love this match to be a stomp 
Did I say training isn’t an option… I said development is =
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Because it's harder to do shit when you have 100x gravity on your ass, ofcourse it would be more beneficial. It's like saying "I lift 50 kg, but when I lift apples it doesn't give me the same results as lifting 50 kg" no shit it won't
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Method of training isn't restricted thats why its called prep time and even if it is and you tone down development by x500 its still an impressive rate of excelling more than luffy anyway
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Training makes you stronger by default, he give them training. Unless somehow physical training doesn't make you betterYup I’m sure the op would love this match to be a stomp
Did I say training isn’t an option… I said development is =
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I'm pretty sure he doesn't lolYup I’m sure the op would love this match to be a stomp
But he never factored it out and until he does it's viable
Different rates of excelling I mean
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I can’t understand you
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1. doesnt he need other people to train in higher gravity or more efficient way of training? or that would fail in external help
2. In DB training in higher gravity is far far far more efficient than normal training like how begining of Z goku only got a small boost after training one year but when he trained in higher gravity he got several times stronger
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Nope
You forget goku was alone training in the spaceship
And vegeta regularly trains alone in the gravity chamber
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doesnt he need bulma to access the gravity chamber or you know literally outside help to get access to better training methods in general
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Believe it or not
Goku knows where it is a
And everyone at CC knows goku so he could just walk right in
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Well in general you can do anything with prep time
And character's often get in touch with outside help and external sources during prep time
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