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Because the kamehameha naturally raises your PL, remember the raditz fight? Yeah that.
Plus keinzan works on people with higher dura than goku.
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End of season I Equal Stats: Luffy vs Goku vs Ichigo vs Naruto
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Plus keinzan works on people with higher dura than goku.
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I thought stats boost are restricted, but if we count that, all characters here will have power boost as well
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The kamehameha does that tho- it's not technically raising all of your stats always but more like [goku uses the kamehameha which naturally raises his PL, but after it his PL returns to normal.
SirAlex09
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"Resistance to Illusion Creation and Mind Manipulation as a perfect jinchūriki, Sleep Inducement (Resisted Itachi's attempt to put him to sleep), Possession (Suppressed Kurama's attempt to take over his body), Soul Manipulation (Resisted Nagato's attempt to extract his soul), Status Effect Inducement, Existence Erasure (Users of Six Paths chakra are unaffected by the effects of the Truth Seeking Balls)"
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the wiki accept it only as Body and others stuff iirc, but Naruto also has resistance to soul hax due others reasons
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Goku has the IT, God bind, kamehameha, Keinzan hexa blade and Hakai, plus UI and superior martial arts skill.
Luffy can survive most physical blows, has future sight and can neg dura with his new khaki ability.
Naruto has clones, sensory stuff, Rasnegan and it's variant among other stuff
Ichigo can destroy thier souls, and has big beams.
Most of the opponent can avoid his hits due to their superior martial arts skills, future sight, sensory abilities and teleportation. But luffy or naruto if they got hit, their soul is bye bye, goku can survive his soul getting erase but it can work, tho I feel ichigo hitting goku or luffy would be quite hard actually
Luffy can survive most physical blows, has future sight and can neg dura with his new khaki ability.
Naruto has clones, sensory stuff, Rasnegan and it's variant among other stuff
Ichigo can destroy thier souls, and has big beams.
Most of the opponent can avoid his hits due to their superior martial arts skills, future sight, sensory abilities and teleportation. But luffy or naruto if they got hit, their soul is bye bye, goku can survive his soul getting erase but it can work, tho I feel ichigo hitting goku or luffy would be quite hard actually
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And stats are equal here also.
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Can't naruto use substitution jutsu and massive numbers of clones as advantage?
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TSB actually also damages the souls of Edo tensei.
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Luffy can evade EE via precognition.
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They regenerate from even their souls so I believe they have souls
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If all stats are equalized including things like range then naruto's advantage grows higher
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So basically:
Ichigo's Win condition : Hit someone and oneshot them // Future sight and movement analysis counters this
Naruto's win Condition:
a) Outlast them with Healing factor
b) beat or rasengan them to death with shadow clones // countered AOE from Ichigo and Goku)
Goku's win condition :
a) Godbind / Telekinesis --> Hakai // countered by Ichigo's and Naruto's resistance
b) IT Kamehameha // countered by Future sight
c) use senzu beans to outlast the others // gets countered by Naruto's healing negation
Luffy: Dodge with future sight and Ryou them to death // can be countered by movement analysis from all three. And Naruto and Goku have superior training
Sh*t this is so hard
But I feel like Ichigo has the easist win con followed by Goku.
Ichigo's Win condition : Hit someone and oneshot them // Future sight and movement analysis counters this
Naruto's win Condition:
a) Outlast them with Healing factor
b) beat or rasengan them to death with shadow clones // countered AOE from Ichigo and Goku)
Goku's win condition :
a) Godbind / Telekinesis --> Hakai // countered by Ichigo's and Naruto's resistance
b) IT Kamehameha // countered by Future sight
c) use senzu beans to outlast the others // gets countered by Naruto's healing negation
Luffy: Dodge with future sight and Ryou them to death // can be countered by movement analysis from all three. And Naruto and Goku have superior training
Sh*t this is so hard
But I feel like Ichigo has the easist win con followed by Goku.
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Actually the senzu makes gokus stronger since he can heal from the damage and gets stronger through zenkai.
Naruto doesn't resist Soul EE [I think] IT is instant, unless someone here fan counter it they are likely getting hit. Ichigo resists EE [which one, soul or body or both] . Naruto doesn't counter IT hakai or kamehameha, nor does ichigo counter IT kamehameha. Future aight could help against that but goku can do it multiple times [Lucy can only see in the future for 3 seconds, and does it always activate and does it have any time limit?] .
Naruto doesn't resist Soul EE [I think] IT is instant, unless someone here fan counter it they are likely getting hit. Ichigo resists EE [which one, soul or body or both] . Naruto doesn't counter IT hakai or kamehameha, nor does ichigo counter IT kamehameha. Future aight could help against that but goku can do it multiple times [Lucy can only see in the future for 3 seconds, and does it always activate and does it have any time limit?] .
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goku would probably train for 5 days and become stronger then everyone else, use solar flare and while everyone is blinded one shot everyone or if that doesn't work do it with the abilities of MUI either way goku would still probably slap everyone because of the decades of fighting experience he has more experience then everyone here
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Attack reflection is only for physical objects, and all three of the opponents heavily utilize energy in their attacks, if not outright just blasting people with energy like the rasenshuriken, getsuga tensho, and ki blasts.
I wouldn't say he has the best senses either. he has the best prediction maybe. But being a good martial artists kinda stops mattering when your opponents are all about blasting people with big AOE bombs
Fighting experience doesn't equal skill, and to be perfectly blunt, dragon ball's martial arts aren't really that good or high skilled, and i'd say Luffy and Naruto are better in that respect
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No he literally has the best senses it’s really not even a debate if you know all the stuff haki can do.
Also the attack reflection I’m talking about is a haki force field it would definitely work on energy sources too…
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Pffff-
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-
I am sorry but that was legitimately the most funniest thing I heard.
Goku stomps all together [their verses if you wanna highball him]in skill alone
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prove it.
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Dude i read all of one piece, i am well aware
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Then you are aware that luffy has the best senses
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Ahem: goku was ke to create a martial arts to counter drunk fist style. Was capable of doing the kamehameha on the first try, when a great martial artist as roshi took him 50 years and came up with application that the original user couldn't. Can predict someone's movement from the air current and it was potent enough to predict someone who skips time, has a stance that has no openings. Was capable of achieving MUI when gods that lived for millions of years couldn't, he did it in under less than 40 minutes. Was able to master the kaioken when the creator of it couldn't, he was capable of easily finding the weak points of the super saiyan and develop a better transformation that's stronger and uses less energy in a year [or two]. Was able to pressure cell, someone with all of the z fighters knowledge plus his own. Was able to hang out with frieza and actually give him some difficult time [altho frieza wasn't at full power] with his skill and wits, was able to fight off kale and califula in his base form.
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Most of those are based on stats and magic ki stuff lol
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As is expected with shonen fights this is very quickly turning into an RVR worthy cesspool, so i'm unwatching
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Ki is a martial arts technique.
UI even if it was magic and stuff, took goku only 40+ minutes to master, while gods, took them millions of years and failed. With his skill alone was capable of predicting someone who can skip time, mind you this person is 1000+ years old [but it doesn't matter that much] goku masters techniques that the original creators couldn't.
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It doesn't need to stomp it, even getting stronger by 0.5 would hurt like hell, and goku doesn't have problem in making kamehameha at all
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