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Elden Ring General Discussion

Latin_Rhythms said:
Seems alright. Only thing I'd tweak is the realm of shadows part. Because was it probably the Elden Ring that seperated it from the world. Probably. But that's never outright confirmed. And since it's never confirmed/really connected to the elden ring a bunch of alternative reasons could be made for the separation. Like the shadu tree is actually wrapped with a massive sealing tree that obscures the realm like enir ilim was. Or it's the big veils above the sky that's concealing it. It's kinda of a nitpick but just thought I'd throw it out there.
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I mean sure, I think given the feat was evidently performed by Marika (given it's concealed in her veil) it makes more sense to me that she performed this feat with the Elden Ring then without given how it works but hey that's just me (she has never shown to be able to physically separate areas of reality away but the ER could absolutely do this)
 
Seeing the amount of people who still think stars in Elden ring are just fallingstar beasts/Astels is so annoying man. Gets to a point where u don't even feel like correcting them anymore
 
Thiag125 said:
Seeing the amount of people who still think stars in Elden ring are just fallingstar beasts/Astels is so annoying man. Gets to a point where u don't even feel like correcting them anymore
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Once saw a guy say Radahn was holding back the astroid belt 💀
 
Thiag125 said:
Seeing the amount of people who still think stars in Elden ring are just fallingstar beasts/Astels is so annoying man. Gets to a point where u don't even feel like correcting them anymore
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Aren't the stars Radhan is holding back a mix of actual stars AND the eldritch beasts from beyond like the Astel?
 
Thiag125 said:
Seeing the amount of people who still think stars in Elden ring are just fallingstar beasts/Astels is so annoying man. Gets to a point where u don't even feel like correcting them anymore
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all stars in elden ring are astel/falling star beast mfs when I force them to stare at the sun for 5 minutes.
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AnimesFreak2 said:
Aren't the stars Radhan is holding back a mix of actual stars AND the eldritch beasts from beyond like the Astel?
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Yes, stars in Elden ring are meteors, fallingstar beasts/Astels and actual real life stars, it's just they're all called the same thing so it's easy to misunderstand, still frustrating we're in big 2024 and people think actual stars aren't a thing in Elden Ring when Ymir in the DLC straight up mentions the big bang.

Latin_Rhythms said:
all stars in elden ring are astel/falling star beast mfs when I force them to stare at the sun for 5 minutes.
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You're wrong dude the sun in Elden Ring is just a really big Astel who instead of gravity learned to control the frenzied flame 🗣️ 🗣️
 
Thiag125 said:
Yes, stars in Elden ring are meteors, fallingstar beasts/Astels and actual real life stars, it's just they're all called the same thing so it's easy to misunderstand, still frustrating we're in big 2024 and people think actual stars aren't a thing in Elden Ring when Ymir in the DLC straight up mentions the big bang
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To be fair it's still not 100% confirmed they were actually stars, yes I read the reasoning for the rating. And the thing Ymir mentions is "A great rupture" which can literally mean anything but is interpreted as the most extreme end possible when it could just as likely be a supernova.
 
FuriousFieryFist said:
To be fair it's still not 100% confirmed they were actually stars, yes I read the reasoning for the rating. And the thing Ymir mentions is "A great rupture" which can literally mean anything but is interpreted as the most extreme end possible when it could just as likely be a supernova.
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A great rupture born of stardust. Also the existence of constellations and the sun literally being visible in the sky kind of confirm stars in Elden ring aren't just meteors or living beings.

Of course this doesn't confirm how many of the "stars" Radahn was holding were actual stars and not just meteors and Astels, but the point stands
 
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FuriousFieryFist said:
To be fair it's still not 100% confirmed they were actually stars, yes I read the reasoning for the rating. And the thing Ymir mentions is "A great rupture" which can literally mean anything but is interpreted as the most extreme end possible when it could just as likely be a supernova.
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This wouldn't make sense in the context of him saying 'we are all children of the greater will' if they weren't literally real stars that forged different elements within them that make up the Lands Between.

This is why there is 'Wisdom in Stone' because all elements are infused with the essence of the 'the amber of the cosmos' which is related to the Primevil current which arises from 'The Great Beyond'. Some of this is interpretation but it's not intentionally trying to take the most extreme end possible for the sake of it. Almost nothing in the game is directly stated like it would be super weird for Ymir to say

"There was a cosmological expansion that started from a singularity which created time and space"
 
Thiag125 said:
Such a banger OST, shame Fortissax shares 90% of his moveset with the rest of the ancient dragons we fight in the game. Wish we had more unique dragons like Bayle and Placid
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would've been sick to seen him use more golden lightning besides the Death Blight lighting. I get that the whole point is that like Godwyn, he was golden but then corrupted by Deathblight, and thus so too was the lightning Godwyn/Fortissax used. But I'm just saying, it would've been cool if he had a bigger golden(death?) lighting spear that he chucked like Gwyn at the player. and then have that be the other remembrance incantation we get from him
 
Latin_Rhythms said:
would've been sick to seen him use more golden lightning besides the Death Blight lighting. I get that the whole point is that like Godwyn, he was golden but then corrupted by Deathblight, and thus so too was the lightning Godwyn/Fortissax used. But I'm just saying, it would've been cool if he had a bigger golden(death?) lighting spear that he chucked like Gwyn at the player. and then have that be the other remembrance incantation we get from him
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This
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
I mean when you think about it, Homelander isn't that powerful outside of his universe so it's not exactly a surprise that in a verse full of Magic, he gets easily outscaled even by some of the weakest characters
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Yh it's just funny to think Godrick who's canonically a complete loser (the dude licked Malenias feet and crossdressed so he could escape Leyndell 😭) beats the shit out of a superman expy, even if it's a weak one like homelander
 
Thiag125 said:
Yh it's just funny to think Godrick who's canonically a complete loser (the dude licked Malenias feet and crossdressed so he could escape Leyndell 😭) beats the shit out of a superman expy, even if it's a weak one like homelander
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Hes still partially a God, albeit with heavily diluted divinity. He's also amped by having a shard of the ER.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Let's be honest. A small group of Messmer's knights or Raya Lucaria sorcerers could at least cause a LOT of damages
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If Messmers knights' fire powers have the same soul burning properties of Messmers own fire, then they'd cause a LOT of destruction before being stopped.
 
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE GIDEON OFINIR SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF DNA THAT FILL MY BODY. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR GIDEON OFINIR AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR HIM. HATE. HATE!

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Latin_Rhythms said:
At around 19 minuets for this video although there isn't much except for the obvious nebula attack being called a nebula attack. Which is better than magic space cloud attack i guess.
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Thanks, I've actually been arguing with someone who thinks the Elden beast's arena is an illusion and thus not a creation feat, but the fact the guidebook goes out of its way to clear the fact Rennalas arena is an illusion while The Elden Beast's isn't is of great help
 
Thiag125 said:
Thanks, I've actually been arguing with someone who thinks the Elden beast's arena is an illusion and thus not a creation feat, but the fact the guidebook goes out of its way to clear the fact Rennalas arena is an illusion while The Elden Beast's isn't is of great help
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if you want some more proof heres a gif of the elden beast sky shifting over time. Implying that the arena really is a separate space with its own planets and stars. This is super solid proof to me at least that the Elden Beast realm is a creation feat and not an illusion. Especially since I did this for Renalla and her night sky didn't move at all.
 
Latin_Rhythms said:
if you want some more proof heres a gif of the elden beast sky shifting over time. Implying that the arena really is a separate space with its own planets and stars. This is super solid proof to me at least that the Elden Beast realm is a creation feat and not an illusion. Especially since I did this for Renalla and her night sky didn't move at all.
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Something just came to me while having that discussion. They think the arena not as big as an actual star system because the Elden Beast created it inside the Erdtree and the Erdtree pretty clearly isn't solar system sized, but that's ignoring the fact the Erdtree houses the power of the reality warping god-making Elden Ring (and we do know the Ring and the Erdtree are somewhat connected since depending on what you do with the Ring, the Erdtree changes appearance) and there is actually a previous occurrence of the Erdtree housing a separate dimension, that being the roundtable hold.

With all that said, it made me wonder about Metyr. Do you think her arena is also in another plane of existence, or just directly below Ymir's cathedral? I'm leaning towards the former for four reasons:

1. We can only get there by teleporting;
2. You could argue it's because it's too big a fall, but we know lorewise the tarnished is pretty much immune to fall damage. Hell, we have two examples of the tarnished not taking fall damage in the DLC (right before the ancient dragon man boss fight and when we need to make that jump to fight the Putrescent Knight), so it wouldn't make much sense for the same DLC to do the opposite;
3. It's just far too big for something that's meant to be below a cathedral;
4. This one is definitely more of a headcannon, but I think with Metyr being pretty much the Elden Beasts sister, it fits nicely. Both of the Greater Will's children have dimensions reflecting themselves. The Elden Beast is stated to command the stars, a lot of the Erdtree incantations are star related (Elden stars which despite being shit in gameplay, is a legendary incantation lorewise), the Elden Beasts body has what looks like stars inside of it, it performs a nebula attack, etc. So the arena obviously will have a lot of star related stuff.

Metyr on the other hand is all about fingers, from her appearance to her role in the world, and that's what her arena is.
 
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Thiag125 said:
Something just came to me while having that discussion. They think the arena not as big as an actual star system because the Elden Beast created it inside the Erdtree and the Erdtree pretty clearly isn't solar system sized, but that's ignoring the fact the Erdtree houses the power of the reality warping god-making Elden Ring (and we do know the Ring and the Erdtree are somewhat connected since depending on what you do with the Ring, the Erdtree changes appearance) and there is actually a previous occurrence of the Erdtree housing a separate dimension, that being the roundtable hold.

With all that said, it made me wonder about Metyr. Do you think her arena is also in another plane of existence, or just directly below Ymir's cathedral? I'm leaning towards the former for three reasons:

1. We can only get there by teleporting;
2. You could argue it's because it's too big a fall, but we know lorewise the tarnished is pretty much immune to fall damage. Hell, we have two examples of the tarnished not taking fall damage in the DLC (right before the ancient dragon man boss fight and when we need to make that jump to fight the Putrescent Knight), so it wouldn't make much sense for the same DLC to do the opposite;
3. It's just far too big for something that's meant to be below a cathedral.
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Leaning towards just really far under the cathedral. Mostly because it looks like it takes place under the finger ruins with all the weird pipes and stuff(pretty sure the guide book says something like that too. Don't quote me on that tho). And a very large cavern could probably exist very deep under the cathedral. You can also telport to the place after metyr is defeated so it's not like the elden beast where it's realm collapses after it's defeat. And even if it was a seperate realm not like it can scale to anything since it's doesn't have anything significantly celestial unlike the elden beast shifting sky.
 
Latin_Rhythms said:
Leaning towards just really far under the cathedral. Mostly because it looks like it takes place under the finger ruins with all the weird pipes and stuff(pretty sure the guide book says something like that too. Don't quote me on that tho). And a very large cavern could probably exist very deep under the cathedral. You can also telport to the place after metyr is defeated so it's not like the elden beast where it's realm collapses after it's defeat. And even if it was a seperate realm not like it can scale to anything since it's doesn't have anything significantly celestial unlike the elden beast shifting sky.
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I completely forgot the area doesn't just stop existing when we kill Metyr. So yeah it's definitely not a separate dimension.
 
I went into the game to try and count how many stars the Elden Beast creates with its nebula attack, it was a mistake even in free cam with slowed-down footage. The explosions aren't all in sequential order so after three go two more will pop up behind them and overlap making things super hard to tell if I already counted them. However, I can conclude that there is in fact a metric butt-ton. I'll leave it to the calc groups to figure out the exact number/j
 
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