Durability of the Gems

[AquaWaifu]

I've come across this "theory" at various places acrosss the internet. The idea that the Gems are weak to "piercing damage" and they are more durable to blun force and energy damage. People cited Jasper poofing via metal rod and Pealr getting stabbed as proof.


Whats the consensus on this idea?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Pearl poofed because Holo-Pearl is 6-B.

 

[Antoniofer]

Piercing attacks in SU has the same effect like in real life or any other media, but here is generally ignored.

But now that you comments about Holo-Pearl, I don't think gems are Low-High in regen; of course, they're regen as long the gem is unharmed, but being stapped in the center of mass (despite not having organs) or beheaded would make them poof.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Yeah, piercing damage is treated as the same on this site. Though it's even true to real life. You can take a punch better than getting stabbed by a knife.

 

[Tipoima]

Pearl poofed because Holo-Pearl is 6-B.

Isn't Holo-Pearl 6-B because she poofed Pearl tho?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, that's the point; the scene doesn't show that Pearl is weak, it shows that Holo-Pearl is strong.

 

[Tipoima]

Yeah, that's the point; the scene doesn't show that Pearl is weak, it shows that Holo-Pearl is strong.

I don't think this works like that.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

It does, it's powerscaling.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Hold Pearl also blatantly traded blows with Pearl in the same episode

 

[Tipoima]

It does, it's powerscaling.

You're just assuming she's stronger instead of considering whether the established power is an overestimation. You gotta have something else to it.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

If you think the stablished power is overestimated, you should be talking about this thing right here, not about a random scene like Holo-Pearl Vs Pearl, since there's really nothing in that fight that proves that Gems aren't as powerful as we think they are.

 

[Tipoima]

If you think the stablished power is overestimated, you should be talking about this thing right here, not about a random scene like Holo-Pearl Vs Pearl, since there's really nothing in that fight that proves that Gems aren't as powerful as we think they are.

What even is that. Some kind of comic?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

https://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Steven_Universe:_Anti-Gravity

 

[Tipoima]

https://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Steven_Universe:_Anti-Gravity

Already found a mistake there.

also, how is an antigravity/warp/laser satellite from questionably canon material related to the power level of gems.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

It's Level 2 canon, and there's nothing in the show that contradicts it, so using it is fine.

Although the feat scaling to the Gems is bullshit anyway because we don't know how durable the ship is.

 

[Antoniofer]

We do not scale a weapon's potency to its durability with no further proof, similar to that satellize cannon from Superman. Also, if the laser is really a tractor laser then the calculation is wrong.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So, R.I.P 6-B Gems?

 

[Tipoima]

I really doubt Gem tiers come from that. Lapis is still a thing, for one

 

[Antoniofer]

Were gems actually being scaled to that? I'm honest, I'm not really interested in SU's rating here, I just watch the serie and I hate it 50% of the time.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I really doubt Gem tiers come from that. Lapis is still a thing, for one

Lapis is High 6-A from her own feat tho

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

"Her shapeshifting yielded this much energy. Capable of destroying a ship durable enough to contain this much energy, with Pearl referring to the ship as fragile"

The first one is getting removed, the second one is the weapon we're talking about; everything else are just supporting feats that aren't 6-B.

 

[Antoniofer]

I really doubt Gem tiers come from that. Lapis is still a thing, for one

That rating do not scale to gems like Garnet or similars, just to Malachite and above.

 

[Antoniofer]

I was sure that that Assault, me and others discussed about energy-convertion in gems weren't accurate. Also, how is being fragile a scaling reason? As for me, a grenade is fragile, like a rocket or a nuke.

 

[Tipoima]

We do not scale a weapon's potency to its durability with no further proof, similar to that satellize cannon from Superman. Also, if the laser is really a tractor laser then the calculation is wrong.

To be precise, it's a tractor beam that somehow got screwed by "pulsar waves" and started firing a "phaser" at Earth. We see heat up the town it's aimed at, but not to any deadly levels (besides occasional lightning which melted some sand)

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I'm still wondering why Yellow Diamond scales from the full durability of her warship when all she did was break a small piece of it; that's like saying that I'm Mountain level because I can pick up a small rock from a mountain and break it, it doesn't make any sense.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The gems scale from the dura of the warship as well as the other casual tier 6 feats in the verse you guys were there when this was discussed

 

[Tipoima]

I'm still wondering why Yellow Diamond scales from the full durability of her warship when all she did was break a small piece of it; that's like saying that I'm Mountain level because I can pick up a small rock from a mountain and break it, it doesn't make any sense. </div>

Welcome to vsbattles wiki, lol. (yes, i know you've been here for a while, that's not to be taken literally) This kind of logic and assuming that authors lack of physics knowledge is somehow canon is the entire foundation of this place

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No one scales to the full ap of the High 6-A Cluster my dude

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

No one scales to the full ap of the High 6-A Cluster my dude

In the other thread you said she was 2 Exatons, so glad to see that changed =)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I never said she was 2 exatons, I said she scales below it

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I honestly think she shouldn't scale at all, but whatever.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Anyway, it seems like both 6-B feats are inaccurate, so are the Gems getting downgraded? There's still Ruby's 6-C feat and them fighting a sentient island that was said to be a tectonic emergency.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

6-B gems is fine, they're not being downgraded

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I was sure that that Assault, me and others discussed about energy-convertion in gems weren't accurate. Also, how is being fragile a scaling reason? As for me, a grenade is fragile, like a rocket or a nuke.

6-B gems is fine, they're not being downgraded

I hate when that happens, everyone just start saying stuff that contradicts the other, and I just get confused because I can't follow two different logics at once.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The mass energy was supposed to be removed yes

They scale to the 6-B ship as they were going to destroy the source that was causing 6-B damage

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

And how does this give it 6-B durability?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Via being able to contain a power source that generates 6-B energy

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

How is that 6-B durability?

 

[Antoniofer]

That is not how sources of energy works, destroying a grenade, rocket or nuke wouldn't require nearly the same energy inside to destroy them; the fact that Pearl said that the source is delicated would suggest anything but high durability.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Antoniofer makes sense. My apologies Weekly.