Durability of the Gems

[TheRustyOne]

They were scaling to the red eye because of Jasper. The light cannons couldn't destroy Jasper's ship, but Jasper survived being in the center of an explosion that destroy the ship.

Garnet threw her into the core, and the ship exploded.

 

[Antoniofer]

High 7-A for the weaker gems, High 7-A+ for Amethyst and Pearl (and gems of similar power), and 6-C for Garnet, Jasper, Bismuth and other gems of similar power.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The Gem warship scaling always confused me, because it goes like this:

Garnet > Jasper > Warship > Light cannons > Red Eye > Garnet

 

[TheRustyOne]

Why does it go like that?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Because Garnet couldn't destroy the Red Eye, but she could damage Jasper, who would be more durable than the Eye if we use this scaling.

 

[Antoniofer]

The most rasonable about that Warship issue is that it has exterior shield and/or destroying it from inside requiere less energy, cuz I do not by that any gem is stronger than their battleships.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Garnet never attack the Red eye, all she did was throw Amethyst at it. I don't think that means Garnet couldn't destroy it.

Also we know that Opal is stronger than the light cannons, the cannons did nothing to Jasper's ship, while the gems thought Opal's arrows could.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Opal's arrows did nothing as well.

 

[TheRustyOne]

And?

They saw that the Light cannons had no effect, yet they still tried to use Opal's arrows. That implies they believe that Opal is stronger than the cannons.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The Gems were pretty desperate in that episode, so making assumptions like this might not be the best idea.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio By that logic The Sith dont need star Destroyers

 

[TheRustyOne]

Why not? Is there any reason to assume that Opal is weaker than the cannons?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Also, keep in mind that is Garnet could destroy the Red Eye by herself, they wouldn't need the light cannon, which was the entire point of that episode.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Why not? Is there any reason to assume that Opal is weaker than the cannons?

No, in the same way there is no reason to assume they're stronger; they're separate weapons that have really nothing to do with each other.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Garnet literally said that the Light Cannons were the "only" thing powerful enough to destroy the Red Eye.

That implies she couldn't do so herself.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Using the Red Eye as an argument is pretty flimsy tbh

 

[WeeklyBattles]

When there are almost a dozen feats above the Red Eye, i think we can take that as PIs

 

[TheRustyOne]

Opal isn't a weapon.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Opal isn't a weapon.

We're talking about Opal's arrows; bow and arrow is a weapon.

Also, I deserve and award for not making a Peridot "is this a weapon" joke

 

[Antoniofer]

Dozens of feats where? Both the Warship crashing and the Roaming Eye values are vastly below it, the sun's one has been debunked, the tractor laser one has been debunked too, Saphire's blizzard do not surpass City level, we no longer use energy-convertion in gems, and the Island monster is ambiguos and even if it isn't is was a feat made by 3 and would be Island level. Other feats do not scale to them.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The Roaming Eye is 6-C, the sun feat hasnt in any way shape or form been debunked and neither has the ship feat. No one has calced Sapphire's feat so saying so is pretty damn inaccurate, and the island monster is an island, there is nothing more or less to say about it.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There is a bunch of Tier 6 feats for AP and durability for the gems calced on Narutoforums. I'm not sure how this seems unknown to some people?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Lion also has a High 6-C feat iirc

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Surviving in the sun isn't considered Tier 6, the ship didnt have 6-B Durability and the Island Monster was off-screen. We should calculate Sapphires feat tho.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo Surviving in the core of the sun is High 6-C, that is only accounting for the heat of the sun

Off screen =/= didnt happen

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Heat of the sun =/= radiation-energy of the sun. MCU Thor is literally 6-B via a sun feat.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Hell i seriously doubt it would be considered a tectonic emergency if it were anything less that tier 6

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The WoG statement was only talking about the heat, and nobody is saying it didn't happen, it's just that we dont know for sure what they did.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-category/steven-universe.1351/view-entries

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Taking a dip in the core of a sun isnt possible if youre not physically inside the sun

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So we have calcs? Finally.

 

[Antoniofer]

Here is a few calculations about freezing, And in order to surpass tier 6 the radius of the blizzard needs to surpass 100 km; and yet that do not accounts for temperature: they could have frozen something in summer, but the wealth was snowly, not glaciar.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

So we have calcs? Finally.

We've had them for years lol.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio It was a massive blizard with massive amounts of ice all over the place despite her only being there for a minute or so

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So we have calcs? Finally.

We've always had them my dude

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I mean finally as in, finally someone brought something like this up in this thread.

 

[Antoniofer]

The issue is that those calcs involve the Cluster, whose the characters we are talking about do not scale; the other calcs involve energy-convertion what we no longer use.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio Did you actually take a look at what Matt posted? Because there's a hall of a lot more than just the cluster calc there

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

there are multiple pages of calcs. Almost all of them are either on web-archive or reuploaded here.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I'm checking the calcs to see what level the results are.