Dual Sonic CRT: Poorly Timed Viruses and Class T Snake Wrestlers

[LaserPrecision]

I think Super should just scale to other super forms but idrc about that part

Oh, didn't know. You seemed to express you believe Master Overlord > Super in your previous comments. I can probably agree maybe in the durability department due to invulnerability.

 

[Theuser789]

Yeah, I believe Master Overlord also scales to other supers for scaling above Super Neo, like he currently is rated

 

[LaserPrecision]

Hm, if he did then I really don't think Base Forms should be able to defeat him at all. Especially since they could barely handle 1 Emerald Zavok who actual Super Forms could one-shot. If they were scared of 1 Emerald amped giant Zavok, I don't think they should be doing much to Overlord. Even with numbers.

 

[ElixirBlue]

The Deadly Six member breaking Silver's TK threw me off. I'm certain it was caused by the Chaos Emerald increased his stats to the point he could break Silver's LS but could be wrong. Would need to reread that.

Beyond that, Silver is a character who is well aware of the capabilities of his powers. He knows his weaknesses and limits well, such as him knowing he can't grab things that are simply too fast for him to lock onto. Neither can he carry so many people at the same time. Silver is knowledgeable on what he can and can't do. And restraining Master Overlord with his TK is something he clearly can't do.

Well, yeah, I argue it's because of the range problem he had during the story, not raw power. Sonic, Knuckles, and Shadow, through the scaling by breaking out of Master Overlord's grip, would imply they aren't far from Silver's LS.

I guess I don't agree with So, Knu, and Shad, are that close to Silver's TK/LS to the point the 3 might as well have the same LS as Silver, if we go by scaling Master Overlord's LS above Silver's, just because Silver didn't restrain Master Overlord's whole body. Which is why I propose he didn't because of the range problem he had during the story, when he was catching everyone from falling (That, and Amy wanted to charge in as a group).

This whole Master Overlord debate is the peak of a versus debator cognitive dissonance towards writting and just real life in general

Shadow's power null blocked Metal from the Super Form, which wasn't narratively part of his plan. I'm not ignoring Shadow powernulling Metal out of his Super Form after Metal talks about the final form and Metal being shocked about losing it. :V

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Didn’t Zor break Silver’s PK by breaking his concentration via shadow clones or am I misremembering?

 

[ElixirBlue]

From the scan above, Zor either broke Silver's TK, or Silver let him go to turn around.

 

[ShakeResounding]

So you're arguing that Base Silver could restrain Master Overlord if he had the range for it? Silver needs to showcase this sort of thing to be anywhere near the strength to restrain anything powered by a Chaos Emerald. Especially when Silver hasn't showcased anything in that ballpark like he has in other continuities (i.e. Archie), and even then it was rendered null.

Well, yeah, I argue it's because of the range problem he had during the story, not raw power. Sonic, Knuckles, and Shadow, through the scaling by breaking out of Master Overlord's grip, would imply they aren't far from Silver's LS.

And where exactly is the problem with this? Hell, Game Sonic could even somewhat move while restrained by Silver's TK until Silver applied more pressure, albeit it was a struggle (the cutscene before Shadow v Silver happens). This isn't a foreign concept, home slice

 

[ElixirBlue]

So you're arguing that Base Silver could restrain Master Overlord if he had the range for it? Silver needs to showcase this sort of thing to be anywhere near the strength to restrain anything powered by a Chaos Emerald.

Hold on, we know power drawn by the Master Emerald is undetermined to measure. Especially consistency wise in the meta, since Sega has since disallowed the use of the Master Emerald to be a solution in the comic(Metal Virus), while the Chaos Emeralds can still be used as a solution.

Unless we go: LS; Base Sonic = Base Metal > Neo Metal > Master Overlord with Master Emerald = the combine push by Sonic, Knuckles and Shadow on MO’s grip.

I don’t think we should heavily rely on the Master Emerald amping for the debate of Master Overlord scaling above Silver in Lifting Strength, since Blue, Red and Black took a couple seconds to break it.

And where exactly is the problem with this? Hell, Game Sonic could even move while restrained by Silver's TK until Silver applied more pressure. This isn't a foreign concept, home slice

Silver does let the people he carry have free movement, like when he saved everyone from falling in IDW.

Even using Archie as an example, Silver would pick people up and they still retained freedom of movement. Super Scourge even turned around to faced Silver while Silver had a hold of him, complementing he had brought Super Scourge to a complete stop, right before breaking out of Silver’s hold. Silver didn’t react to Super Scourge turning around as breaking his hold till after Scourge broke the colorful aura around him.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Hold on, we know power drawn by the Master Emerald is undetermined to measure. Especially consistency wise in the meta, since Sega has since disallowed the use of the Master Emerald to be a solution in the comic(Metal Virus), while the Chaos Emeralds can still be used as a solution.

Wholly irrelevant to the discussion and a nonsequitar. To say this somehow implies that this somehow means that Master Overlord's LS is somehow unamped is the textbook definition of the term.

Unless we go: LS; Base Sonic = Base Metal > Neo Metal > Master Overlord with Master Emerald = the combine push by Sonic, Knuckles and Shadow on MO’s grip.

That is not at all implied by what the story shows. Sonic = 1/3rd of Metal Overlord's grip, Metal Sonic = Sonic, Neo Metal is > Sonic. The difference in Lifting Strength between the Base Cast and Super Cast don't need to be insurmountable like AP is, which is what you're trying to make it seem like. We go by the narrative, whatever it may be, and that's what the narrative tells us.

I don’t think we should heavily rely on the Master Emerald amping for the debate of Master Overlord scaling above Silver in Lifting Strength, since Blue, Red and Black took a couple seconds to break it.

Taking a couple of seconds to do something doesn't discredit a LS feat. If it did, a lot of characters on this wiki would have their Lifting Strength neutered. And if you meant that in a way that implies MO just doesn't scale above Silver's LS due to that then all I'll say in response is that you're arguing in a circle by saying that.

Silver does let the people he carry have free movement, like when he saved everyone from falling in IDW. Even using Archie as an example, Silver would pick people up and they still retained freedom of movement. Super Scourge even turned around to faced Silver while Silver had a hold of him, complementing he had brought Super Scourge to a complete stop, right before breaking out of Silver’s hold. Silver didn’t react to Super Scourge turning around as breaking his hold till after Scourge broke the colorful aura around him.

The problem is he was trying to kill Sonic, in which we know Silver has no reason to restrain himself while holding Sonic down. All it takes if for you to rewatch the scene, Silver's PK on Sonic and Silver's PK on fodder is is different. The former backs up my argument, and only the latter backs up yours. We even treat the stories of the games as canon unless contradicted, we just don't list the hax because then it's just a profile-clone of the Games and some of them rely on game mechanics that are sorely absent in IDW. And Silver was trying to kill Sonic anyways, not just put a stop to him like he was with Scourge (not to mention it's a damn Super Form lol) or simply hold them to stop them from falling like with the IDW cast, so it's a false equivalency. The former being not exactly 1-1 and the latter being a false equivalency.

 

[Theuser789]

Hm, if he did then I really don't think Base Forms should be able to defeat him at all. Especially since they could barely handle 1 Emerald Zavok who actual Super Forms could one-shot. If they were scared of 1 Emerald amped giant Zavok, I don't think they should be doing much to Overlord. Even with numbers.

Context, Zavok had the virus that was dwindling their members and they needed to hurry up before Sonic was infected, against Master Overlord they just needed Knuckles to remove the emerald and Tails had a huge ass ship helping him

Shadow's power null blocked Metal from the Super Form, which wasn't narratively part of his plan. I'm not ignoring Shadow powernulling Metal out of his Super Form after Metal talks about the final form and Metal being shocked about losing it. :V

Shadow didn't Power Null him, that's a cope we made up, his super form time limit ran out, what wasn't part of his plan was to beat Sonic and Knuckles so easily with his super form, Overlord was always part of the plan, please understand the narrative better

 

[Theuser789]

We are forgetting the fact that Sonic, Shadow and Knuckles didn't overpower Metal's LS, they overpowered one of his hands, LS comes from the strengh of the entire arm, not just the fingers of a hand. In real life overpowering someone's fingers is wayyyy easier than overpowering their entire arm, it's not even comparable

 

[ShakeResounding]

To be fair, it makes it slightly more impressive when looking at the size difference between them.

But either way, yes. It just further proves they downscale from Class T like I've been saying. I'm not really sure why this seems to be such an issue, considering crazier things have been accepted for continuities like Archie.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Context, Zavok had the virus that was dwindling their members and they needed to hurry up before Sonic was infected, against Master Overlord they just needed Knuckles to remove the emerald and Tails had a huge ass ship helping him

I don't think the context matters too much. Especially if you believe Neo's transformations scale to Super as we've been shown that Base Forms from a narrative standpoint are completely out of reach of Base Form characters unless they have an explicit weakness (Such as a spot conveniently weak to Base form attacks).

Even so, with some of the members exhausted, it's by an unquantifiable amount, and the difference in performance can't meaningfully be measured. We see Zavok literally breath on Sonic and Metal Sonic which bodies the two:

If the difference between 1 Emerald and 2 Base Mid-Tiers is enough to breathe on them and send them flying there's no imaginable way that Base Forms could conceivably take on a user comparable to an actual Super unless it was an absurd amount of PIS.

We see Sonic with the Super Form blitz Zavok, yet Neo Sonic with ANY of his transformations were able to do that at any point to the Base Forms whilst Super Sonic blitzed Zavok with literally zero difficulties

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See why this isn't adding up yet? Essentially you're affirming that if the Deadly Six were small, and there were numerous of them, they could beat Super Sonic or at least give him a lot of trouble. It makes no sense given the gap we're shown. With Super and Neo we're shown he's definitely above Base, but not out of reach/impossible to match up to with help from others which is what Zavok felt like. Because at that point he was still slow enough for them to evade some attacks, but still dangerous enough to try to avoid being attacked at all costs. I'm fine with scaling them above all Base's, but also think they should be beneath actual Super's. Especially if in Canon on this site that people have agreed Mecha's Super Form doesn't scale to Sonic's actual Super Form (In fact he scales FAR beneath it). So why can't this be the case for Super Neo or Master Overlord?

 

[Theuser789]

I don't think the context matters too much. Especially if you believe Neo's transformations scale to Super as we've been shown that Base Forms from a narrative standpoint are completely out of reach of Base Form characters unless they have an explicit weakness (Such as a spot conveniently weak to Base form attacks).

The thing Master Overlord had? (Wings plus the Master Emerald)
Plus context absolutely matters, you can't just thrown it aside

Even so, with some of the members exhausted, it's by an unquantifiable amount, and the difference in performance can't meaningfully be measured. We see Zavok literally breath on Sonic and M

And Metal bodies everyone by shrugging, plus Sonic literally got back up the same page

If the difference between 1 Emerald and 2 Base Mid-Tiers is enough to breathe on them and send them flying there's no imaginable way that Base Forms could conceivably take on a user comparable to an actual Super unless it was an absurd amount of PIS.

Yeah, because there was PIS, Sonic distracted Metal by taunting him, go read the fight again and see how many times Metal actualy hits the protagonists, once he shrugged he was about to kill everyone

We see Sonic with the Super Form blitz Zavok, yet Neo Sonic with ANY of his transformations were able to do that at any point to the Base Forms whilst Super Sonic blitzed Zavok with literally zero difficulties

Because he was toying them... First thing he does is knock them down with one blast

See why this isn't adding up yet? Essentially you're affirming that if the Deadly Six were small, and there were numerous of them, they could beat Super Sonic or at least give him a lot of trouble.

Comparassion fails because they didn't give trouble to Master Overlord, they distracted him enough so that they could exploit his weakness and take him down with greater firepower (The ship). And maybe they could outlast his super form timer, Burning Blaze needed her entire time to destroy a couple ships

It adds up if you stop thinking as if every fight works with Dragon Ball logic where the weaker is completely hopeless no matter what

With Super and Neo we're shown he's definitely above Base, but not out of reach/impossible to match up to with help from others which is what Zavok felt like.

This is literally wrong, they literally beat Zavok by using the same strategy they used Overlord (take the power source), he wasn't "impossible", that's straight up wrong, and yes, Super and Overlord were in the same realm, they only beat Neo once his timer ran out and Overlord by taking the power source, just like Zavok

Because at that point he was still slow enough for them to evade some attacks, but still dangerous enough to try to avoid being attacked at all costs.

He wasn't slow, he straight up captures Sonic right away, it's needed multiple distractions and clever thinking for them to not vê wrecked, you are creating a non existant standard for super form scaling in IDW

Especially if in Canon on this site that people have agreed Mecha's Super Form doesn't scale to Sonic's actual Super Form (In fact he scales FAR beneath it).

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Lol

 

[ElixirBlue]

Shadow didn't Power Null him, that's a cope we made up, his super form time limit ran out

I don’t believe the time limit was what made Super Neo go away. His Super Form running out of time in that scene is more likely to be thing made up, because Neo Metal in his invulnerable Super Form was effected by Shadow’s Attack (which is likely Hax to get past the invulnerability) and then his Super Form disappeared as a result.

That is not at all implied by what the story shows. Sonic = 1/3rd of Metal Overlord's grip, Metal Sonic = Sonic, Neo Metal is > Sonic. The difference in Lifting Strength between the Base Cast and Super Cast don't need to be insurmountable like AP is, which is what you're trying to make it seem like. We go by the narrative, whatever it may be, and that's what the narrative tells us.

Again, I don’t believe Master Overlord is part of the Super Cast tier. My comment was responding to:

So you're arguing that Base Silver could restrain Master Overlord if he had the range for it? Silver needs to showcase this sort of thing to be anywhere near the strength to restrain anything powered by a Chaos Emerald.

Silver being able to block Chaos Emerald Zavok with his TK, the same Zavok that blasted Base Sonic with a breath. I mention the meta about the Master Emerald, because yes, I don’t believe the Master Emerald amped Master Overlord greater than a single Chaos Emerald amping Zavok.

The Master Emerald amps has no set value. Heck, if it had a set value, it would create Hyper Forms instead of Super Forms (since IDW is following the Game’s canon).

We go by the narrative, whatever it may be, and that's what the narrative tells us.

I mean, the narrative told us Neo Metal has a form he believes is greater than Super Neo but then, narratively, he unexpectedly lost his super form before transforming. It’s not clear Master Overlord is the form he was referring to, since being powernulled was unexpected for Neo Metal.

 

[ShakeResounding]

The Master Emerald amps has no set value. Heck, if it had a set value, it would create Hyper Forms instead of Super Forms (since IDW is following the Game’s canon).

The Master Emerald doesn't vary in the Game Continuity. Hyper Forms don't help your point either, considering they're tapped into by the Super Emeralds specifically and not the Master Emerald. Look at Mecha Sonic (from 3&K).

Silver being able to block Chaos Emerald Zavok with his TK, the same Zavok that blasted Base Sonic with a breath.

Cool, Silver can hold at bay Giant Zavok's AP for at least a little while. Again, unimportant to the discussion. To make matters worse, you're comparing a character shielded with a barrier to one that isn't. If Giant Zavok breathed on Silver, the same would've happened. I don't get the point in discussing this.

I mention the meta about the Master Emerald, because yes, I don’t believe the Master Emerald amped Master Overlord greater than a single Chaos Emerald amping Zavok

Then I'm glad that this isn't a debate about what we believe, and that it's a debate about what actually makes sense. If all seven Chaos Emeralds aren't even up to snuff with the Master Emerald (remember, IDW follows the Game Continuity), then just one has no feasibility in hoping to come anywhere close. And the Master Emerald has never been shown to be variable in strength, just that it has weak durability.

It’s not clear Master Overlord is the form he was referring to- [snip]

Respectfully, and as a dear friend, this is the biggest load of shit and conjecture I've read in this entire thread. You have no proof of this, because there's no proof another form exists that he was trying to attain. Occam's Razor is on my side on this one, and the path of the least assumptions is the one we always take. Master Overlord is the only other transformation we see, and so that's what we have to assume he was referring to. You can't even argue against this, the path of least assumptions is how the entire wiki operates.

 

[LaserPrecision]

The thing Master Overlord had? (Wings plus the Master Emerald)
Plus context absolutely matters, you can't just thrown it aside

Is there any reason to believe the wings are any less durable than the rest of his body when we see other characters causing damage to other parts of his body? (As in caused pain):

Having someone like Sonic harm a 'Super Form' level character by himself just doesn't add up.

And Metal bodies everyone by shrugging, plus Sonic literally got back up the same page

Is bodies an exaggeration? He shakes them off and they go free-falling

Sonic on the other hand wasn't sent free-falling. He was thrown/slammed into the ground by Zavok quite literally breathing onto him.

From here, I'll skip over some points as they're essentially just points I've responded to already. So I wanna cover the new points brought up as I feel that contributes to the conversation more.

Comparassion fails because they didn't give trouble to Master Overlord, they distracted him enough so that they could exploit his weakness and take him down with greater firepower (The ship). And maybe they could outlast his super form timer, Burning Blaze needed her entire time to destroy a couple ships

It adds up if you stop thinking as if every fight works with Dragon Ball logic where the weaker is completely hopeless no matter what

That's my biggest gripe. We have a random SHIP causing damage to a SUPER FORM level character by merely crashing into them? A normal air-ship? How does that make any sense. The ship also caused significant damage. Does this mean that ship generated enough force to harm a Super? It just doesn't add up. I can't be the only one who thinks this, right?

This is literally wrong, they literally beat Zavok by using the same strategy they used Overlord (take the power source), he wasn't "impossible", that's straight up wrong, and yes, Super and Overlord were in the same realm, they only beat Neo once his timer ran out and Overlord by taking the power source, just like Zavok

I said impossible as in they couldn't beat him or cause any harm without taking the Chaos Emerald. The reason I said they weren't also impossibly higher is because we see Base Sonic clash with Super Neo. Then we see Base characters leave damage on Master Overlord. Then we see a ship cause significant damage by merely crashing into him.

He wasn't slow, he straight up captures Sonic right away, it's needed multiple distractions and clever thinking for them to not vê wrecked, you are creating a non existant standard for super form scaling in IDW

Evade some attacks. They undeniably evaded attacks from Master Overlord:

Are those crystals he's launching from his waist not his attacks?

Mecha Sonic

Mecha Sonic is a robot modeled on Sonic the Hedgehog, created by Dr. Eggman. It is distinct from the well-known Metal Sonic. Tier: 5-A | At least Low 2-C Name: Mecha Sonic Origin: Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic and Knuckles) Gender: None, but referred to as male Age: Unknown Classification: Robotic...

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Lol

Huh, my mistake. I could've sworn he scaled beneath Universe+ level.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Huh, my mistake. I could've sworn he scaled beneath Universe+ level.

Ah, that was a result of a more recent change in the scaling after 4-A was removed

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I like how we universally agree with the Sonic X upgrades yet it's the newer IDW continuity that's sparking the controversy.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Let's talk about "Master" Overlord's rating in later thread.

After some deliberation, I have to concede on the "Likelihood" of Silver's and Master Overlord's scaling. Base Sonic would get Class K, likely Class T, as well as Knuckles and Shadow. The "Likely" rating, is because Silver still could've went to pull the wings off first before going for the limbs but was stopped to save the Base Cast from falling. Does that work?



As for the speed scaling, eh. I'm not a fan of how the Base Cast is treated in the speed scaling, more so characters like Amy. Archie made the speed scaling clear cut but IDW is a bit... Well, I haven't done much research into it but the reasonings here is shaky.

More so, like for Amy, we don't have scans for her to show she scales to Sonic's speed.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Summary (Thus Far)​

We're all in unanimous agreement with everything related to Sonic X, considering it's received no pushback whatsoever throughout the entirety of the thread. And due to Elixir's comment (which I'll edit the OP to conform to in a little bit), we're also now all under unanimous agreement with everything involving IDW as well.

The only thing that's still in the air is Laser and User's debate about Master Overlord's Tier, which I assume will be hashed out further once User returns to the thread. I would say to make a separate CRT on it like Elixir said, so I'll wait to see the consensus on that.

 

[ElixirBlue]

unanimous agreement with everything involving IDW as well.

The speed scaling with Amy?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Amy kept up with Doctor Starline who nonchalantly reacted to Sonic’s attacks.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Amy kept up with Doctor Starline who nonchalantly reacted to Sonic’s attacks.

She did? And wouldn't that be Combat speed?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

She did? And wouldn't that be Combat speed?

Yes and yes. Don’t know of any Travel Speed feats for her though.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I would be fine scaling them to High Hypersonic for that reasoning, but not the full Hypersonic+. Mid-Tiers (Sonic, Shadow, etc.) are still clearly faster in terms of even combat speed. I'd say Sonic visibly puts more effort into fighting fast here:

Then he does against someone like Starline. Keep in mind he's blitzing Neo Metal Sonic in the image above. Someone who scales relative to his speed.

Sonic also blitzed Eggman's robot combined with Omega whereas before Sonic arrived, Tails, Amy, Whisper, Tangle, etc. were all struggling against him and had to exploit weaknesses to gain any advantage (Quite clear he knew he stood no chance either as he starts panicking only once Sonic arrives):

Since we also treat the comics as a continuation of the games, I'd again like to bring up them scaling to the Deadly Six (Inferior, but can keep up and land hits). The same Deadly Six who scale to Sonic in their debut game.

So is everyone fine with High Hypersonic Low-Tiers and (At least) High Hypersonic+ Mid-Tiers?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Scaling the others to the Deadly Six to solidify High Hypersonic sounds good to me, yeah

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Wouldn't the fact that all of the resistance fought Infinite's army back in Forces (which includes clones of the deadly six as well) prove that they scale to them? Or at least their power in Lost World/Forces?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Wouldn't the fact that all of the resistance fought Infinite's army back in Forces (which includes clones of the deadly six as well) prove that they scale to them? Or at least their power in Lost World/Forces?

I don't think so. In the story, they stated they were really strong and questioned how Sonic made beating them 'look so easy.'

They're definitely relative, but if the comment is trying to imply they're equal to them, I disagree. Thus why I think scaling them to High Hypersonic is fine (rather than High Hypersonic+. I think At least High Hypersonic+ for mid-tiers is better though)

Except of course Jet the Hawk who actually may funny enough be a mid-tier since he was the only one who was actually shown to be physically superior to the Deadly Six member to such a degree they admitted it. Which I guess makes sense seeing as he's seen as a rival to Sonic in the games he appears in. Not that it matters though given he has no profile.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Pretty straightforward, I agree with this

 

[ElixirBlue]

Then I agree with scaling the characters like Amy to High Hypersonic, as long as we explain the logic behind the rating when putting them on the characters' profiles.

And, I think that wraps up discussion the CRT.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Since the calcs are accepted, I'm fine with the updates. Will leave the scaling to the experts but overall the revision seems fine.

 

[Elizhaa]

The changes in the OP seem fine.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Considering I've got several admins and other staff members to accept this, including some who have done the calculations, I'll go ahead and apply this. Anybody who also wants to edit is free to do so

 

[ShakeResounding]

Aaaaand finished! I'll be updating some of the IDW profiles with more scans to support the Speed ratings later on, but the revisions themselves are done.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

While we're here shouldn't we update the P&A of the Sonic X profiles? (Shadow is missing various similar abilities to Sonic e.g: Body control/Natural weapon via Spin Dash, Expert H2H for beating Sonic and Knux is CQC, NPI, etc).

Also Dark Oak really needs a profile since he plays a major role in High 5-A scaling.

If it's for another CRT then nvm then.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Well I think it's not too big of a change to warrant an entire other thread. If we can get a few other people to agree I wouldn't mind adding p&a to Shadow's page (Could make a sandbox for Dark Oak).

 

[ElixirBlue]

Let’s finish the thread up now and just make a new thread for P&A additions. Last minute additions are uncouth. We could introduce more P&As if we talk about it proper.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Let’s finish the thread up now and just make a new thread for P&A additions. Last minute additions are uncouth. We could introduce more P&As if we talk about it proper.

Sorry if it seems like I was undermining the thread with unnecessary, invasive musings. I'll drop the subject now and move on now.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Sorry if it seems like I was undermining the thread with unnecessary, invasive musings. I'll drop the subject now and move on now.

Lol, it’s no big deal. Thanks for bringing it up. I just want the process to be organized to eliminate any potential issue someone might have, like how we used to have Sonic threads go.