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Dropping the Riordanverse Tier by smiting it with Zeus' Lightning Bolt

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What do the rest of you think about the latest suggestion?
 
It would be inconsistent though, as depending on the amount of avatars hey have out, their power varies.
I mean it would still be more accurate, because while their avatars range in power, their Devine forms shouldn't and mixing the stats of the two different forms would make the profiles even more inconsistent.
 
They didn't seem to be using their true forms against Typhon, so I'm not sure they'd even be that much more powerful that way. I at least got the impression they need a physical form to use their weapons.
 
They didn't seem to be using their true forms against Typhon, so I'm not sure they'd even be that much more powerful that way. I at least got the impression they need a physical form to use their weapons.
Their True Forms are not the same as their Devine Forms, they never use their True Forms in combat as it severely cripples them elsewhere as it summons their fractured essence and all of their power into a single place.

They were using their Devine Forms in their fight with Typhon and in their fights with the Titans and Giants. Basically whenever they're fighting other gods or god level threats they're using their Devine Forms.
 
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So what should we do here exactly?
 
Well, it's:

"The gods and Titans skirmished back and forth—blowing up an island here, vaporizing a sea there".

A skirmish is more of a short battle, it doesn't really point to it being one attack, imo. We also don't know how many gods and titans were involved, could be 1v1, or 5v5, so the result would depend on how many people are contribuiting to the feat.
 
Well, it's:



A skirmish is more of a short battle, it doesn't really point to it being one attack, imo. We also don't know how many gods and titans were involved, could be 1v1, or 5v5, so the result would depend on how many people are contribuiting to the feat.
I mean there's no reason to assume they combined attacks multiple times or something. And it's a skirmish so they couldn't have taken very long
 
Well, there'd be a considerable difference if it's:

"Zeus saw a titan in that sea, so he threw one lightning bolt and vaporized the whole thing."

vs

"Apollo, Artemis and Ares fought three titans for 5 minutes and the sea was vaporized after the onslaught from both sides."
 
Well, there'd be a considerable difference if it's:

"Zeus saw a titan in that sea, so he threw one lightning bolt and vaporized the whole thing."

vs

"Apollo, Artemis and Ares fought three titans for 5 minutes and the sea was vaporized after the onslaught from both sides."
Well the quote says multiple seas were vaporized.
 
Yeah the war, but their skirmishes didn't last that long
But we still don't have a time-frame, the number of gods involved or even the sea that was vaporised.

The feat overall gives us a ball-park for the strength of the gods, but not specifics regarding how it can be applied to the profiles of the gods involved.

There's also the fact that his feat can only be attributed to Hera, Hestia, Demeter, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades as they were all that participated in the war.

Additionally, it dubious whether or not the feat is actually useable as the author of the statement in universe wasn't there for the event and explicitly said they were writing their own interpretation of the story
 
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For other feats that I can recall, there's:
  • The holding the sky, that'd flatten a huge region, but it didn't seem to be about pure strength.
  • Zeus grabbing Etna and crushing Typhon with it.
  • The firecracker statement.
  • Zeus' attack is compared to a 50 megaton nuke.
These seem useful as well.

Can somebody remind me which member(s) that has/have helped you out with calculations here previously?
 
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Haven't seen the firecracker calc, but I don't really know how you could calc it since we don't have a frame of reference to compare the firecracker to.

Kronos did destroy Uranus, so he could prob scale directly with his weapon. Percy at least seemed to consider Kronos way stronger than Typhon, so not sure how that'd scale to the gods.
 
Haven't seen the firecracker calc, but I don't really know how you could calc it since we don't have a frame of reference to compare the firecracker to.
Says that it would make hydrogen bombs look like a firecracker. I used the average yield of a firecracker compared to a hydrogen bomb that America dropped
 
But we still don't have a time-frame, the number of gods involved or even the sea that was vaporised.

The feat overall gives us a ball-park for the strength of the gods, but not specifics regarding how it can be applied to the profiles of the gods involved.

There's also the fact that his feat can only be attributed to Hera, Hestia, Demeter, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades as they were all that participated in the war.

Additionally, it dubious whether or not the feat is actually useable as the author of the statement in universe wasn't there for the event and explicitly said they were writing their own interpretation of the story
Well it's described as having happened numerous times as just a side affect of God level beings going to war. I do agree that this should only be a ballpark feat for the gods, and that's really all I ever intended it to be, something that could give us a general rating if we had nothing else to go on.

Luckily enough, it will also be a nice supporting feat for Mazdoesstuff's Masterbolt Calc.
 
For other feats that I can recall, there's:
  • The holding the sky, that'd flatten a huge region, but it didn't seem to be about pure strength.
  • Zeus grabbing Etna and crushing Typhon with it.
  • The firecracker statement.
  • Zeus' attack is compared to a 50 megaton nuke.
  • The sky feat is nebulous at best and unusable at worst. Every single statement about the feat squarely places it as a feat of will, not physical strength.
  • This feat is a pretty good as it can be easily calculated due to the information provided.
  • A bit nebulous, but it is supported by other statements and showings from the gods. A calc I did a while back which found the difference in explosive yield between the average firecracker and the average Hydrogen bomb, and used that to find the explosive yield of the Master Bolt which gave a result of 6.6e+8 Terajoules or about 1.6e+11 Tons of TNT, which is around High 6-C.
  • This one isn't 100% reliable as Percy, the person who made the statement, did not witness the event nor has experienced the power of a 50 megaton bomb. Additionally, the statement seems to be a simile and shouldn't be taken literally.
He threw a lightning bolt that impacted Typhoeus’s chest like a fifty-megaton hydrogen bomb. The storm giant staggered backward, but he didn’t fall.
 
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Can everyone link their Riordanverse related calcs in this thread? I'll edit the main post so that everyone has access to the current calcultions. It'll just streamline everything.
 
So as of RN, all Greek immortals should be downgraded to High 6B in accordance with the only valid AP calculation.

FalseTrajectory should have some feats for demigods that downgrade them to supersonic, but that's pending

The gods currently only have Sol movment speeds, with some (Hyperion, Helios, Athena, and Apollo) have Sol attack speeds. Actually, all gods going into their true form have a Sol attack. A True Form attack has to be noted as only being Island level though, in comparison to their normal High 6A attacks.

Side note, if we can find a god reacting to another god's Sol attack, then the gods reactions should scale to that.

With Maz's calc, Zues and Typhon could be upgraded to 6A, but that calc isn't approved or out yet

So in summary, downgrade all scaling chracter's (Inluding Titans and their parent generation) AP to High 6B, and then remove their relativistic reactions. Until a new scan and our upcoming calculations are finished, that's all we can do to the profiles.
 
Okay. That is probably fine to apply then.
 
Should I edit the page, or is there a team on the wiki that handles that responsibility?
 
Also, the stamina should be downgraded from godly as the rating does not exist

Edit: I'll work on profiles tommorow, I did Typhon's page.
 
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