Dropping the Riordanverse Tier by smiting it with Zeus' Lightning Bolt

[Mazdoesstuff]

Jason also directly states that Porphyrion is capable of lifting mountains, not like in the Piper feat. There’s too much repetition of the statements for it to not be valid imo

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

For the god scaling, it's really weird, they absolutely do not come accross as god level, and demigods fighting people as strong as Olympians just makes 0 sense. The giants as a whole come across as even weaker than the restricted Titans, just with good regen, although I don't remember if they ever say they're weakened.

Percy fought a casual Ares at age 12 and drew blood from him, he fought Atlas too, and also defeated Hyperion and Iaptus. Percy definitely can fight god like beings. The issue with them is mostly because: 1) They're immortal, and 2) Their hax is dangerous, as they can just turn Percy into an animal or something (which Dionysus considered doing several times)

 

[InfiniteSped]

Gods can vary in power depending on how much of their essence is in the same place, and weren't all the titans weakened anyway?

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Gods can vary in power depending on how much of their essence is in the same place, and weren't all the titans weakened anyway?

Don’t remember that being stated for the titans

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Jason also directly states that Porphyrion is capable of lifting mountains, not like in the Piper feat. There’s too much repetition of the statements for it to not be valid imo

In that same quote he also says Poryphion far outclasses him in brute strength. And he could just be parroting the info he got from Piper about how she remembers stories of giants doing that. Because basically all the demigods start saying the giants are mountain tossers after Piper said that. Although it is possible that other giants could maybe lift mountains if we can find statements substantiating that. Otis and Ephialtes were implied to be physically weaker than the other giants (Phrocys said they couldn't depend on their strength, so they turned to tricks and spectacle) so it could be possible that stronger giants can perform that kind of feat.

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Don’t remember that being stated for the titans

The Titans were not at their full power. It was part of the plan that when Kronos awakened fully all the Titans would regain their true power and overthrow the gods.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Old Laws that prevent Gods from going all out apply to the Titans too or else Percy would have been flattened. When Kronos full power was about to return (aka his true form with all of his separate parts being joined once more) he was going to passively burn through the Curse Luke. Same thing is with the case for any of the higher end immortals that we see like how most or all of Poseidon was fighting Oceanus and him just turning his attention to Percy sitting on his throne was going to vaporise him. No mortal demigod scales anywhere near Olympian level immortals actual power and only ever fight discount versions.

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Here's a quote from the last Olympian from Dionysus. He says that without Kronos at full power the titans are weaker than they should be.

There is more,” Mr. D warned. “Kronos has not yet attained full power. The body of the mortal was only a temporary measure.”
“We kind of guessed that.”
“And did you also guess that within a day at most, Kronos will burn away that mortal body and take on the true form of a Titan king?”
“And that would mean . . .”
Dionysus inserted another quarter. “You know about the true forms of the gods.”
“Yeah. You can't look at them without burning up.”
“Kronos would be ten times more powerful. His very presence would incinerate you. And once he achieves this, he will empower the other Titans. They are weak now, compared to what they will soon become, unless you can stop them. The world will fall, the gods will die, and I will never achieve a perfect score on this stupid machine.”

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Are we deadass trying to say the Demigods can physically contend with Zeus? With Poseidon?

Weren’t some of the statements in this thread about making the gods star to galaxy level and scaling it to their physicals? Are we trying to imply the plan was Star level Piper McLean or something?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Are we deadass trying to say the Demigods can physically contend with Zeus? With Poseidon?

Weren’t some of the statements in this thread about making the gods star to galaxy level and scaling it to their physicals? Are we trying to imply the plan was Star level Piper McLean or something?

More so establishing that demigods aren’t close to the actual power of the gods since they only ever fight avatars who are bound by laws preventing the use of their real power. Any high end feats by gods won’t scale to demigods ever.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

I’m going to go ahead and list all the best AP feats that occur for the demigods, for those that think Tier 9 demigods is still a thing.

Leo’s Supernova: like High 7-A
Jason creates a storm: 7-A
Percy surviving Mount Saint Helens: 7-B
Khione creating freezing rain: 7-B
Nico creating a crevice down to the Underworld: Low 7-B
Enceladus shaking Mount Diablo: Low 7-B
Percy Jackson obliterating an iceberg: 7-C
Hazel sinks a small island: Low 7-C
Jason survives a point blank explosion: Low 7-C

 

[InfiniteSped]

Should compile the quotes and calcs to take a look at each one, then.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Should compile the quotes and calcs to take a look at each one, then.

Yeah, these should be put in a blog

 

[InfiniteSped]

A few of those I think have I issues with the context of the scene, and some are cooling/cloud related, the worst type to use. I'm fine with Tier 7 for their big power showcases though, issue is their physicals.

 

[GraveDigger84]

Does Percy scale to the full impact of Mt St Helens?

 

[InfiniteSped]

A human-sized object shouldn't be hit by the whole thing, no. A tiny fraction, most likely, unless it was like an explosion with the epicenter right on his face, which is unlikely.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Does Percy scale to the full impact of Mt St Helens?

Yes. He was at the epicenter of the blast, that he himself made. Hephaestus confirms it himself when Percy asks if what happened was because of him

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Does Percy scale to the full impact of Mt St Helens?

Cross-sectional area is a thing, so we need to account for that with a calc.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

A human-sized object shouldn't be hit by the whole thing, no. A tiny fraction, most likely, unless it was like an explosion with the epicenter right on his face, which is unlikely.

It literally was. Percy created the explosion and was at the epicenter before getting sent to Ogygia

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

A few of those I think have I issues with the context of the scene, and some are cooling/cloud related, the worst type to use. I'm fine with Tier 7 for their big power showcases though, issue is their physicals.

We established this like 50 times, the demigods magic fully scale to their physicals and it’s depicted in every fight. The same giants and monsters that can tank their magic attacks, the demigods can wrestle with him and clash blades with them.

 

[InfiniteSped]

It literally was. Percy created the explosion and was at the epicenter before getting sent to Ogygia

Did we actually ever learn what he did there?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

We established this like 50 times, the demigods magic fully scale to their physicals and it’s depicted in every fight. The same giants and monsters that can tank their magic attacks, the demigods can wrestle with him and clash blades with them.

Demigods can also tank magic from each other too (such as Thalia shocking Percy in the Titan's Curse)

 

[GraveDigger84]

Did we actually ever learn what he did there?

The best explanation I know is that Percy created water from inside himself (almost like using his 'life force') and it came in contact with the lava and created a superheated steam explosion that set off the volcano

 

[InfiniteSped]

A lightning bolt to the face, sure, but Percy can't compress the power of a tsunami, and Hazel won't be having enough precious materials to do any island busting in most fights. Their big stuff is usually enviromental.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Even when factoring for cross-sectional area (0.68 m^2 for a human), the result is still 7-B (16.32 Megatons)

 

[InfiniteSped]

The best explanation I know is that Percy created water from inside himself (almost like using his 'life force') and it came in contact with the lava and created a superheated steam explosion that set off the volcano

That's always been my assumption as well, the pressure yeeted him out.

 

[GraveDigger84]

A lightning bolt to the face, sure, but Percy can't compress the power of a tsunami, and Hazel won't be having enough precious materials to do any island busting in most fights. Their big stuff is usually enviromental.

This. Physicals scaling to their magic is pretty situational and shouldn't be used for each demigod's powers.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

A lightning bolt to the face, sure, but Percy can't compress the power of a tsunami, and Hazel won't be having enough precious materials to do any island busting in most fights. Their big stuff is usually enviromental.

Magic is energy based. Meaning that there is no strictly environmental destruction here, demigods can put the power of their huge attacks into specific things.

 

[GraveDigger84]

That's always been my assumption as well, the pressure yeeted him out.

But we know the volcano also erupted, so it's not like it's impact can't scale to him at all

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Did we actually ever learn what he did there?

Yes. This appears in Battle of the Labyrinth

Percy was poweful enough to stir Typhon in his sleep and causing him to wake up a year later

 

[InfiniteSped]

Yeah, so it was that, he summoned a lot of water that got into contact with the lava and yeeted him out with the pressure.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Demigods like Nico can put the same energy that they spent on creating a crack down to the Underworld to shoot energy beams or create walls out of magic. The series consistently reiterates that magic strength = physical strength

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Demigods like Nico can put the same energy that they spent on creating a crack down to the Underworld to shoot energy beams or create walls out of magic. The series consistently reiterates that magic strength = physical strength

It really doesn't. There are only a few characters where their physical showings compare to their magic. And combat avatars are literally a thing in Egyptian magic specifically because magic capacity isn't the same as physical power.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

It really doesn't. There are only a few characters where their physical showings compare to their magic. And combat avatars are literally a thing in Egyptian magic specifically because magic capacity isn't the same as physical power.

The fact that the demigods can literally physically fight on par with giants that can withstand their full-power magic attacks proves that there’s comparability.

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

The fact that the demigods can literally physically fight on par with giants that can withstand their full-power magic attacks proves that there’s comparability.

They're not typically shown to be physically as strong as giants. Even someone like Jason says that Poryphion can crush him with "one finger". And harming someone with celestial bronze/imperial gold swords isn't the same thing as being physically comparable to their durability.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It really doesn't. There are only a few characters where their physical showings compare to their magic. And combat avatars are literally a thing in Egyptian magic specifically because magic capacity isn't the same as physical power.

Egyptian spells =/= Demigods Magic. For a proof, when Carter's spell first hit Percy, the energy buzzed around not knowing what to do with him, suggesting his magic is different than the Magician's spells

Also, the combat Avatars are Egyptian spells relating to their gods

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

They're not typically shown to be physically as strong as giants. Even someone like Jason says that Poryphion can crush him with "one finger". And harming someone with celestial bronze/imperial gold swords isn't the same thing as being physically comparable to their durability.

Jason do manage to parry Porphyrion's strike, albeit barely. Percy did the same with him later.

Frank was physically beating Alchyoneus. Percy killed Polybotes by Smashing Terminus' head on him

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

They're not typically shown to be physically as strong as giants. Even someone like Jason says that Poryphion can crush him with "one finger". And harming someone with celestial bronze/imperial gold swords isn't the same thing as being physically comparable to their durability.

Clashing with someone makes you directly scale to their AP and durability, this is literally how we’ve always treated clashing.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Clashing with someone makes you directly scale to their AP and durability, this is literally how we’ve always treated clashing.

And LS. Parrying requires you to have the LS to stop the charge of the opponent and resist their push. Considering Jason was able to do it, then yeah he scales. At least partially. Oh and Jason defeated Krios by himself (and meanwhile Percy defeated Hyperion)

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

And LS. Parrying requires you to have the LS to stop the charge of the opponent and resist their push. Considering Jason was able to do it, then yeah he scales. At least partially

Yeah Jason and Percy are noted to be weaker than Porphyrion, but can still fight on par with him and not get stomped. Essentially like how Kronos could shatter Annabeth’s arm with a clash, that shows how far apart they are in strength. But it isn’t happening here