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Just a little question, was the new value for Buu Saga SSJ Goku accepted for now? From what I've read about the CRT there wasn't so many objections about it.Alright, then this CRT has been accepted (with a few minor exceptions). You can now edit your explanation blog with all the changes and I'll take a look at it once you're done, then we can do the profiles.
Pretty much every main point in the CRT is accepted now. All that's left is to just edit the blog and the profiles. If you wanna make matches you should wait until the stuff is applied I think.Just a little question, was the new value for Buu Saga SSJ Goku accepted for now? From what I've read about the CRT there wasn't so many objections about it.
If you wanna make matches
We can try to edit the profiles for the new scaling and add a note on the verse page about the assorted scaling chains in relation to the blog. Although, I think someone could make an updated version of the blog using the scaling that was already accepted in this thread at least.I have work today, so I can't really edit my blog atm. Plus I would like to give my own detailed inputs on Adult Gohan; he has gotten 4 power level jumps throughout Buu saga and it is unknown if his comparisons to Teen Gohan where before and after his 1st. Zenkai Boost after Kabito healed him from Spopovich and Yamu extracting his energy, another Zenkai Boost after getting bodied by Buu and healed again by Kabito. Swinging the Z Sword a couple times and getting used to its weight. And the biggest one is clearly Old Kai's ritual amplification.
That's okay take your time, just tell me when you finish.I have work today, so I can't really edit my blog atm. Plus I would like to give my own detailed inputs on Adult Gohan; he has gotten 4 power level jumps throughout Buu saga and it is unknown if his comparisons to Teen Gohan where before and after his 1st. Zenkai Boost after Kabito healed him from Spopovich and Yamu extracting his energy, another Zenkai Boost after getting bodied by Buu and healed again by Kabito. Swinging the Z Sword a couple times and getting used to its weight. And the biggest one is clearly Old Kai's ritual amplification.
I don't need to explain where he lands after the 4th one. And not sure if it's before or after the 4th one where his base form is equal to base Teen, SSJ1 is equal to Teen SSJ1, but SSJ is well below Teen SSJ2. His 2nd one got a huge boost but full extent is unknown but he needed to go SSJ to pull out the Z Sword and thought it was a little heavy even with the form. His 3rd boost which was his Z Sword swinging should still put his new base form above Shin and on the level of Goku and Vegeta's base forms. It was already covered by the Pui Pui and Yakon comparisons how strong the full blooded saiyans are even in base forms, but I still think the details on Gohan's progression via Z sword at least post training shouldn't be ignored. Though, still going to need to re-evaluate Dabura's ratings in the blog and he's another on the list where SSJ forms would be 50x stronger than him for this part.
Quite a different question I know, but who is going to edit the profiles with the new scaling anyway?That's okay take your time, just tell me when you finish.
In the case of gohan, only 3 power boost are relevant for the scaling, the first is him getting clapped by buu, the second is him training with the Z sword and the third is the kai ritual.
At the beginning of the buu saga, his power did not increase or decrease from the cell saga, so his SSJ form is just as strong as it was when he was a child vs cell, and in this form he fought dabura.
Then after getting clapped by buu, he got his zenkai which puts him above shin because he was able to swing around the z sword in base which puts him above shin, and goku did the same, and after training with it he's able to swing it casually, so he should scale to base Goku too. And post ritual is self explanatory, solar system level.
Basically, beginning of buu saga: small star level, large star level as a SSJ ( just as strong as his cell saga self)
Post majin buu: large star level (lifted the z sword and stronger than shin, comparable to Goku) at least large star level as a SSJ (50x stronger than his base, comparable to ssj goku)
Post z sword: large star level (stronger than before) at least large star level as a SSJ (50x stronger than before, comparable to SSJ Goku)
Post ritual: solar system level with potential unleashed (beat buu's goofy ass)
Hope it's clear, if you got question ask.
Dunno. Maybe me. I just need dark dragon man to edit his blog first of all. Then we can work on the profiles.Quite a different question I know, but who is going to edit the profiles with the new scaling anyway?
All the main scaling is accepted, we just gotta get it applied.So the speed scaling is accepted? I just skimmed through this thread
That's good, although, shouldn't we put the result of the speed calc next to the speed in the profiles?. I think it will make things easier when making VS matches.All the main scaling is accepted, we just gotta get it applied.
DBZ don't have a feat, but it's already gonna be well explained in the blog. In super is when we get all the speed feats and supporting feats, by then we will probably have some kind of speed scaling blog for super in the manga since they didn't have one before as they didn't scale to a value.That's good, although, shouldn't we put the result of the speed calc next to the speed in the profiles?. I think it will make things easier when making VS matches.
Imagine now everyone in the manga upscaling from BOG Shockwaves + Vegito's speed upscaling as a supporting.DBZ don't have a feat, but it's already gonna be well explained in the blog. In super is when we get all the speed feats and supporting feats, by then we will probably have some kind of speed scaling blog for super in the manga since they didn't have one before as they didn't scale to a value.
This is a completely different scene.
They traded Accelerated Development for a much better Reactive Power Level while the fight goes on, so I'd say their biology just evolved.But isn't it implied to have stopped happening in Chou and GT?
But isn't it implied to have stopped happening in Chou and GT?
DBS manga
The manga isn't exactly a contradictory source as the saiyans's RPL is still backed up by Vegeta in granolah saga during his fight in this department and GT is a non-canon source that just supports the idea of zenkai boosts still being a thing with a direct statement from Goku and their biological acessments just evolving in general.
Future Trunks speculated as such after healing Vegeta and witnessing him getting stomped even harder than before by Goku Black—the same kind of scenario as the above Gohan/Buu example. Besides, Goku continued to get Zenkai out of the ass following this battle.Chou
In GT even after being to the brink of death during his firrdt fight with Baby Vegeta, after he faces with SS3 Baby comments he hasn't gotten stronger at all.The manga isn't exactly a contradictory source as the saiyans's RPL is still backed up by Vegeta in granolah saga during his fight in this department and GT is a non-canon source that just supports the idea of zenkai boosts still being a thing with a direct statement from Goku and their biological acessments just evolving in general.
Zenkai Boosts are a case-by-case thing, Goku didn't train that much when he faced Baby Vegeta from my memory and his power stagnated very much during that saga until he got SSJ4 (which is the same exact moment when he makes the statement), which would only imply that Saiyans getting this amp is a very ocasional thing depending on how much they practice their physical condition and biological process. Some Saiyans might even have more potential than others do, as an canon example you could think of DBS Broly adapting to SSJ Vegeta's power despite him getting overwhelmed beforehand.In GT even after being to the brink of death during his firrdt fight with Baby Vegeta, after he faces with SS3 Baby comments he hasn't gotten stronger at all.
Black isn't necessarily a special case, the only difference is that he gets stronger when he is further injured much by other opponents, which is backed up by himself.Also wasn't Black treated as a special case or something?
Vegeta doesn't even scale to Kaioken times 3 Goku, as that Goku stomped him before he used the Galick GunOff-topic but related question, does Vegeta Saga Saiyan scale at the speed of Goku Kaio-Ken x4?
Considering Vegeta has a PL of 18,000 and Goku Kaio-Ken x4 32,000.
Probably.Can blog multipliers be applied to the lifting force?
That would probably be accounted for a different thread tbh. Goku's LS wasn't updated very long ago.Probably.
Problem is, the Lifting feats are kinda everywhere. Making it hard to gauge which feat to go with for which specific period.
Yes, but there is a big problem.Can blog multipliers be applied to the lifting force?
Since most agree that characters's statements about using only half their power would be apply to their speed too, everyone comparable or faster than Future Android 17 should be fully Massively FTL+, that also means that Buu Saga Vegeta and Goku should be Massively FTL+ in their Base.Profiles blog but it's still a work in progress. Someone should review it though.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FluffyCreatureZ/Dragon_Ball_Z_power_scaling
Yeah, we may need to make another CRT for that.That would probably be accounted for a different thread tbh. Goku's LS wasn't updated very long ago.