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Because no one care enough to organize it
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Dragon Ball Super: Universes/Timeline Tiering Revision
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That's not the point. Goku says he was lucky Whis happened to be in their realm at that time (which is clearly referring to the Living World here, the whole context of this fight is Goku dragging Gas across space) hence being able to teleport to him, meaning that their home isn't.
The former might be true but the latter is literally impossible since their stories conflict greatly. The official colorings are made by Shueisha themselves, and depicts them as green. The anime WoV never had any kind of clouds the manga version does.
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Nowhere on this page do they state the anime is an adaptation of the manga. Contrarily, it distinguishes the Z Anime which does do that as "Toei."
Son Goku (DBS Anime)
Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock and his mother Gine to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after...
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realm doesn't need to mean dimension here, remember how difficult it was for goku to teleport from beerus's planet to Earth in rof? it could just be distance
what latter? their stories may be different, hence why they are separated profiles, but that doesn't change that both are equaly canon to dbz manga, so whatever is canon in one will be canon to z and then to the other
and yes the world of void has clouds
when did i ever said that the anime was an adaptation of the manga?Nowhere on this page do they state the anime is an adaptation of the manga. Contrarily, it distinguishes the Z Anime which does do that as "Toei."
Son Goku (DBS Anime)
Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock and his mother Gine to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after...
i was talking about the timeline on the verse page
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To be fair here, that timeline section did nothing more than simply show peoples about the arc/saga of Super as a reference, it have nothing to do with canonicity
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Who said anything about dimensions? Whatever the case is, the fact that it's a different place from the Living World is different to the Anime.
The DBZ manga is canon to them, not the other way around. The events between the manga and anime would have to coexist for them to both be canon to the original Z, that's clearly not the case. Whichever of them is the canon version to Z is a matter for a different thread but the point is they can't be correlated to each other.
The Anime WoV only has what seems to be strange thin gases.
There's no way you think these are the same.
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dbs manga cosmology isn’t canon to dbs super cosmology and I brought up toeiverse as an example
thats legit how it works Toriyama makes plot lines for both toei and toyataro he doesn’t do the manga anymore toyataro is his successor
also it doesn’t even matter if the cosmologies are different or not the rosat is stated to be a sub space so now youd have to prove that the rosat doesn’t exist within the timeline since now there’s proof it does
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AKM has long composited DBS manga to the anime, it's in discussion rules that cosmology is subject to change based off ongoing manga/anime. It was discussed in previous thread, Z manga cosmology canon to Z anime, super manga cosmology canon to super anime.Nowhere on this page do they state the anime is an adaptation of the manga. Contrarily, it distinguishes the Z Anime which does do that as "Toei."
Son Goku (DBS Anime)
Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock and his mother Gine to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after...
They look same tbh.Who said anything about dimensions? Whatever the case is, the fact that it's a different place from the Living World is different to the Anime.
The DBZ manga is canon to them, not the other way around. The events between the manga and anime would have to coexist for them to both be canon to the original Z, that's clearly not the case. Whichever of them is the canon version to Z is a matter for a different thread but the point is they can't be correlated to each other.
The Anime WoV only has what seems to be strange thin gases.
There's no way you think these are the same.
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That’s the ToP. I’m referring to when Goku went back to the Erased Timeline and retrieved the Omni-King.
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in a different place in the living world you mean
a canon continuation is canon to the thing that it is continuing from, so both are canon to the dbz manga, they don't need to coexist
both look basically the same to meThe Anime WoV only has what seems to be strange thin gases.
There's no way you think these are the same.
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Vietthai96
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He actually composited both Toei and Canon cosmology, such as using Super manga to counter Daizenshuu/Chouzenshuu, or use Z manga to counter Z anime and GT statement or using Super to counter Toei
But you are right, there is a discussion rule, if we want to do anything, it need to be addressed first
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Yosh
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Wait if he composited toei? Then shouldn’t canon cosmology be 2-C
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Why would it?
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He literally says different realm. You do know "world" and "realm" in DB are different translations of the same kanji right?
Saying it's canon to the DBZ mange entails that it actually happens in the future events of the DBZ manga, which both of them can not simultaneously be.
You might need to look again then. Different color schemes, placement in the scenery, shape, composition, are not the same.The Anime has thin gases whereas those are very clearly solid, tangible clouds in the manga.
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it was just a joke, someone said it earlier
and you know "world" can mean planet right?
that is how it is treated, both are equally the future of dbz manga
i don't see much of a difference
same, i don't see much of a difference
again, i don't see much of a difference
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No, not really, as established in the previous thread, GT/Z cosmology ain't affecting super. So that inherently means it is not canon to super in anyway. But manga of super as per discussion rules and what AKM said is canon to super anime.
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This discussion is unbelievably ******* inane.
Why exactly are "Do not attempt to change the current Dragon Ball cosmology and power ratings without new evidence from an ongoing manga or anime series" and "However, the cosmology is subject to change if we get reliable information from new anime episodes, movies, manga chapters, and/or official guidebooks" automatically interpreted as, "The continuity of the anime and the manga exist parallel to one another, and information can both can affect each other", and not, "If the anime receives new episodes, then the anime changes, if the manga gets new chapters, then the manga changes, and if new guidebooks are released, whatever is applicable changes"?
There is a reason the Super manga is only referenced on the Dragon Ball verse page under the "Super Manga Only" sub-heading of the Character section. There is a reason the manga and anime operate under two different speed scalings. There is a reason that "The profiles that cover the Z era strictly use the original manga for scaling the characters. Please don't use feats or statements from Dragon Ball Kai to upgrade them, as Kai contains contradictions to the source material. Feats from the Dragon Ball Super anime are allowed for the relevant keys" is the first note at the very bottom of the verse page. There is a reason that, until few months ago, because I made a thread, the Super manga was referred to as "Chou" in character pages, and the anime versions were exclusively referred to as "Dragon Ball Super" characters.
This Goku was "Son Goku (Dragon Ball Super)", and this Goku was "Son Goku (Chou)".
The Wiki does not ******* care about the Super manga. Why would things change here?
and how the **** was "Heaven is also stated to be as big as a universe multiple times. Hell is stated to be even bigger than Heaven, so that would mean it’s as a big as a universe too" accepted onto the verse page?
Why exactly are "Do not attempt to change the current Dragon Ball cosmology and power ratings without new evidence from an ongoing manga or anime series" and "However, the cosmology is subject to change if we get reliable information from new anime episodes, movies, manga chapters, and/or official guidebooks" automatically interpreted as, "The continuity of the anime and the manga exist parallel to one another, and information can both can affect each other", and not, "If the anime receives new episodes, then the anime changes, if the manga gets new chapters, then the manga changes, and if new guidebooks are released, whatever is applicable changes"?
There is a reason the Super manga is only referenced on the Dragon Ball verse page under the "Super Manga Only" sub-heading of the Character section. There is a reason the manga and anime operate under two different speed scalings. There is a reason that "The profiles that cover the Z era strictly use the original manga for scaling the characters. Please don't use feats or statements from Dragon Ball Kai to upgrade them, as Kai contains contradictions to the source material. Feats from the Dragon Ball Super anime are allowed for the relevant keys" is the first note at the very bottom of the verse page. There is a reason that, until few months ago, because I made a thread, the Super manga was referred to as "Chou" in character pages, and the anime versions were exclusively referred to as "Dragon Ball Super" characters.
This Goku was "Son Goku (Dragon Ball Super)", and this Goku was "Son Goku (Chou)".
The Wiki does not ******* care about the Super manga. Why would things change here?
and how the **** was "Heaven is also stated to be as big as a universe multiple times. Hell is stated to be even bigger than Heaven, so that would mean it’s as a big as a universe too" accepted onto the verse page?
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The point being that information from the manga does not necessarily connect back to the anime
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nah man we should upgrade goku to outer /j
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Because this rule was made just after my @AKM sama waifu composited the manga and DBS anime cosmology in the same thread and infact it was made on the basis of them being composite in the first place.
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Cosmology and very base of the arcs does but how the story proceeds can be altered and anime can have fillers but it shouldn't affect the basic cosmology toriyama created for anime version of manga which is same in the end.
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anime version of manga?
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Dragonball super anime...
Dragonball super manga...
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The two aren't related, just parallel.
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the thing is, we are not conecting them directly, the true canon of dbs is whatever the notes from toryama were, we don't know them so we consider both super manga and anime to be the canon continuation of z, and as such both are canon to z, so what one changes is valid to z which is canon to the other, unless we someday find the notes from toryama we can't do much
not directly, but manga z is canon to both and vice versa
they are related, they are both based on the same thing, aka toryama's notes
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Funny, because I've been told: "Dragon Ball continuity is similar to the Timeline split in Zelda. Original Manga is basically similar to where Zelda took place from Skyward Sword to Ocarina of Time. But after that, the Super Anime can be seen as an Adult Timeline continuity with Super Manga being seen as a Child Timeline continuity. Though the difference is that they're different continuities as opposed to two timelines within the same multiverse. But they're both still branched from the original continuity similar to how those aforementioned timelines were originally branched from one timeline."
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On its own? No. Not unless you have separate supporting evidence for spatial separation as well. Just gonna point that out.
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Correct.
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where?
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They are related tho, pretty much base for the entire super is super manga but okay. It ain't changing that we have them composite still.
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If anything, the basis for the Super manga was the anime, seeing as how the former was initially a promotion for the latter.
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in that thread it says that both are considered canon continuations, so my point stands, unless i am misreading something?
in the thread it is said that neither are basis for eachother, toryama's notes are the basis for both
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