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The Wiki doesn't even consider the Super manga the primary canon. The Wiki confirms the anime the primary canon.
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Dragon Ball Super: Universes/Timeline Tiering Revision
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Yes, I'm making this point off the assumption that they are as that is the current consensus of the wiki (at least, before the downgrade kicks in)
We already know this can extend to the point of universes having their own Earth's that follow different paths. I don't think that can just be written off.
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There definitely are. Like how Goku cannot breathe in space, but can breathe in the absence of any space, or even time. (As Goku was fine in being in the void that was left after the Omni-King destroyed the timeline and universes at the end of the Future Trunks Arc.)
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Didn't they literally say they put oxygen that was needed for people to breathe in it? He can't breathe in space, he can hold his breath, no?
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I have no idea I didn’t even think about that until he mentioned the super manga being canon to the dbs anime
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aren't both canon to eachother?
yeah but the z manga is canon to both, so whatever one ads is valid to the z manga which in turn is valid for both
no, noth are equally canon, they are even on the same tabber in the profiles
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No z anime is canon to gt but gt isn’t canon to Z
Z manga/DBZ Kai (except some of it) is used for the dbs anime but dbs anime wouldn’t be valid for the z manga same thing here
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After reading the thread, I did really think it was strange that they used the manga to affect the anime. Cause I’m pretty sure on the wiki, they don’t do that. Hell Goku’s possible Self-Sustenance ability in Super(Manga) wasn’t applied to Z for that same exact reasoning they saying now.
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really? when was that decided?
i know that dbz kai is not used at all, and the manga is canon to the dbs anime and vice versa, just as db is canon to dbz
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Super is primary canon. And iirc, Super manga and Super anime is different continuities despite Z manga canon to both. So this situation is, using super manga backscale to z manga then forward scale to super anime
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Dbz Kai can be used for super just not for some things that were retconned DDM told me in the 2-C db upgrade thread for toeiverse
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really now? can you show me?
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Yeah, why exactly is the manga being used to reference with the anime? Even if one goes as far as calling the manga a canon product, that doesn't change the fact it's a different one from the anime as a completely different continuity. They can't even coexist as different timelines due to the Future Saga.
There's probably more but off top, Manga Beerus' home being in a different realm from the Living World and the Anime Afterlife presumably having a Hell and King Yemma figure for every planet implies there're setting differences between them.
There's probably more but off top, Manga Beerus' home being in a different realm from the Living World and the Anime Afterlife presumably having a Hell and King Yemma figure for every planet implies there're setting differences between them.
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huh, kai is secondary canon occasionally?
well the manga is part of the timeline in the verse page, i don't remember where in the manga the thing about the afterlife is contradicted, same thing for beerus realm
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In the Anime Beerus' planet is shown so many times to exist in some sort of nebula in space. It's pretty unforgettable lol, it was one of the most discussed topics for powerscaling when Super started since Beerus flying across it was one of the first FTL feats for canon DB.
As for the Afterlife, King Yemma was stated before to handle all aliens as well. The Super manga setting has no indication of being any different from that like the Anime.
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We all discussed it in the previous thread tbh, manga cosmology and canon anime cosmology is composite. There is no point in arguing about it.
Said directly in the thread it is not affecting super
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Yeah, but why? They're different continuities with tangible differences in the cosmology. The WoV is completely different in the manga from the Anime as well.
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well, now it is a separated realm, can you show me a scene of what you are speaking?
it was said in z, which dbs anime retconed, which in turn retconed z since it is canon to it and vice versa, which in turn aplies for the manga since z is canon to it
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dbz manga canon to both and both canon to dbz manga, so what one changes applies to z which in turn applies to the other
how so?
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I have no idea how two completely different products with conflicting stories are simultaneously canon to the same continuity.
In the Anime it's a dark space of nothingness, whereas the manga has it as some green space filled with clouds.
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No they aren't. That's why we don't scale them the same way.
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In the both WOV is nothingness actually
I have no idea how two completely different products with conflicting stories are simultaneously canon to the same continuity.
In the Anime it's a dark space of nothingness, whereas the manga has it as some green space filled with clouds.
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Does it really make sense to take changes from the manga and apply them to the anime if we don't know if the anime even functions this way?
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Also super manga and anime may have a bit of altered story line but manga is a base for anime, both follows akira toriyama world view and that is why we accept cosmology of both composite here. It's not even a thread to talk about it. It ain't changing unless someone change it but that would take a separate crt.
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The only thing to suggest it is the naming scheme, but honestly the name in the manga doesn't seem particularly literal as it's some green space with the background littered with actual clouds, much different from the anime.
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Super Manga basic structure (cosmology and arc) is canon to DBS anime, not the other way around.
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Since when was the Super Manga the base for the Anime? Do y'all not follow Super or something?
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Yes For super it is canon occasionally
they’re not composite and the sub space scan can be referring to it being a sub space of the macrocosm or timeline (doesnt matter which one but Ill say timeline to lessen arguments) which would still make the universes 2-C since the RoSaT in the manga is just not in the macrocosm apparently
it wasn’t retconned its just the Z anime doesn’t apply for dbs on the wiki and only Kai but if you could find the same statements for the cosmology in kai the macrocosm being 2-C could be applied for Dbs as well and not just the toeiverse
Manga isn’t the base for anime Toriyama creates a plot line script for both to follow so both could still have different cosmologies
No it’s not there’s literally no proof for the dbs manga being canon to anime
exactly
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To be fair here, cosmology of DB should be composite of Super and GT, Akira even said GT is just an alternate timeline
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In Dragonball Super has its own unique set of planets, races, and gods, and events in one universe do not affect events in another universe. This suggests that the space-time in each universe is separate and operates independently of one another.
Also, there are instances where characters travel from one universe to another, and it is stated that events in one universe do not affect events in another universe. This concept is also established in the Tournament of Power, where multiple universes compete against each other in a battle for survival. These examples further reinforce the idea that each universe has its own separate and independent space-time.
Lastly, in Dragonball Super, the multiverse is depicted as a hierarchy of universes, each with its own gods and beings that govern their own space-time. The existence of parallel universes and their independence from one another is a recurring theme throughout the series, and it is emphasized that events and actions in one universe do not have an impact on the events and actions of another universe. These elements all support the idea that the universes in Dragonball Super have separate and independent space-time.
Also, there are instances where characters travel from one universe to another, and it is stated that events in one universe do not affect events in another universe. This concept is also established in the Tournament of Power, where multiple universes compete against each other in a battle for survival. These examples further reinforce the idea that each universe has its own separate and independent space-time.
Lastly, in Dragonball Super, the multiverse is depicted as a hierarchy of universes, each with its own gods and beings that govern their own space-time. The existence of parallel universes and their independence from one another is a recurring theme throughout the series, and it is emphasized that events and actions in one universe do not have an impact on the events and actions of another universe. These elements all support the idea that the universes in Dragonball Super have separate and independent space-time.
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Whis was not in Beerus planet. He was in an unknown "realm" that might just be a far distant random planet. It took gas flying in space for 20 minutes across the universe after getting directions from Whis to get back to planet Cereal. He didn't even fly all the way back he got close enough to sense Goku and Vegeta and used his own version of Insant Transmission to get back.
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Same could pretty much be said about different societies, I don’t know how any of this proves different low 2-C structures.
and we know they don’t operate as separate spacetiems, changes in one universe creates a whole new “multiverse”.
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this is not talking about beerus planet tho, even if it was the world "realm" doesn't need to mean dimension
z manga is canon to both and both a canon to the z manga, they are not canon to eachother
uh, the manga is balck and white, how do you know the color? also there is clouds in the anime
cool, don't know how that works but, ok
manga cosmology is canon to dbz, which is canon to anime dbs
when did i ever brought toeirverse/anime dbz to this conversation topic?
you would need to know what said notes contain to make this argument
the dbs manga isn't canon to the anime, but it is to z which it is
oh can we please not start with that? it can lead to very controversial places
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@Reiner I looked up the previous threads where it was discussed that isn't even what's accepted on the wiki dude.
They're considered different continuities independent of each other and just simultaneously canon products due to being two interpretations of the same Toriyama draft. If the Anime was an adaptation of the manga it wouldn't be a canon product in the first place and be like the Z anime.
They're considered different continuities independent of each other and just simultaneously canon products due to being two interpretations of the same Toriyama draft. If the Anime was an adaptation of the manga it wouldn't be a canon product in the first place and be like the Z anime.
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Well, i just want to express my honest opinion, it is controversial because people make it like that, but sure
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this does not prove space times
how does this prove anything? they are different places, they don't need to be different space times for this
when was space time ever cited in db in relation to the universes?
how do they support it?
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it is, have you not saw the timeline on the verse page?
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