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Dragon Ball Super: Universes/Timeline Tiering Revision
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This doesn’t mean much of anything, because later in the same arc who the Oracle Fish referred to isn’t made clear, and is implied not to be Gas or Granolah based on the fact he didn’t recognize them, which is noted by Whis.
It could have meant Granolah, (not likely), Gas (not likely), Frieza (more likely), or Gohan (more likely). And all of it is conjecture.
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True, Beerus does reside in the Mortal Universe, so you can take the statement as you will, but I think it should definitely be noted nonetheless.
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Just out of curiosity, what was the reasoning for this to not be accepted anymore? And what will be acceptable as different space-times?
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But the fact that universe is referring to universe 7 is quite clear as it is in the arc.
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Check the Tier 2 revision part 2 and don't worry, ben 10 is not affected.
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No? The scenarios/conversations are completely separate. One refers a prior statement made and uses that statement to dictate parameters. The other is a prophecy that is purposely left ambiguous, because the shifting of power isn’t clarified. This also isn’t mentioning the fact that if Frieza is revealed to be the person of interest, this “shifting of balance in U7” would have occurred in the RoSaT, which would still lead credence to the fact it is a mere Subspace/Dimension of U7.
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Oracle Fish's prophecies were always hard to decipher ever since Beerus saga. By the context of the scene it definitely referred to granolah.
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That places even in the real world can have distorted time flows. Personally, I think that is very stupid since most of the time gravity distortion never happens in fiction but it seems to have been passed so eh.
What's accepted is if the space-times/dimensions are spatially separate on top of not following the same time as each other and being unaffected by changes in time in either one. Additionally, physical travel should be impossible between them.
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Yeah, the point is that shifting of power balance occurs on the range upto U7 and that was the entire context of wish of arc and all, it is left ambiguous because when that shift will actually end was ambiguous as in the end of arc, it was still unknown who is that strongest guy and to whom oracle fish was referring but it could be anyone is what matters, either frieza when he'll reach the universe 7 once again, could have been granolah after the wish or could have been gas if he has been the last person but who actually that person is, is still unknown, the point was that, the power balance is shifting.
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Frieza emerging from the Room of Spirit and Time is what shifted the balance of the universe.
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No. That panel happens before GRANOLAH made the Wish. We have NO IDEA who it was that shifted the balance. It also would make no sense, because Frieza would’ve left the RoSaT prior to the Wish being made. The wishes happened whilst he was IN the RoSaT, so it’s physically not possible.
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The final panels of the arc is literally them talking about who the strongest the Oracle Fish was referring to really was, and Whis saying HE thinks the strongest has yet to appear. (And then, coincidentally, right after then Gohan unlocks a new form and is called “the strongest” in all promos, chronologically after Black Frieza appeared, making HIM the “current strongest.”)
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we need to also account the lore and context. Everything onscreen isn't always necessary.
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In the end, Goku and whis made it clear that oracle fish could have been referring to frieza or maybe someone else. The context is quite U7, living universe has no place here or base to argue tbh.
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Yes…so the statement’s context is not clearly about Frieza, because it’s purposely left ambiguous.
Superhero occurs Post-Granolah in the Manga. As we are currently witnessing right now with the Superhero Prequel Arc.
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Wishes from dragon balls causes imbalance in the universe.
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Ah okay so basically, different time flows can be accepted as long as it’s not the only sole reason used to argue separate space-times?
This point however I’m not really understanding. Wouldn’t this just be infinite / immeasurable speed?
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Then I suppose it’s Piccolo who’s being referred to here? Because he got his strength from the Dragon Balls of Earth, and is stated to be on par with Goku and Vegeta, who are training after the incident with Granolah. Orange Piccolo himself tanking dozens of punches from a “Goku and Vegeta level threat” in the form of the Gammas, and fighting comparably to them with merely his Ultimate/Awakened State.
So it still doesn’t mean Granolah. It also still doesn’t mean Granolah because Gas makes his own Wish shortly after.
And regardless, the imbalance isn’t stated to be caused by the Wish. It’s referring to the SITU.
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Kukui, it's fine if you want to ask but.. PM him or his message wall... or Perhaps in the tier 2 revision part 2?!
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No, Gohan is stated to be stronger.
Its ambigious, although Existence of a SITU shouldn't really cause an imbalance unless its done by unnatural way.
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the said guide was saying that the subspace was inside the living universe, as that is what it is explaining in that part of the guide, so it contradicts the series since we know that the rosat is not considered part of the universe, whether it is talking about the living universe or the macrocosm in dbs doesn't matter, since the information of the guide is contradcted either way
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I would love for you to bring proof that another is part of the living universe, and not your zucchinis, it just talks and does not bring any proof, where is this contradiction?
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the part that talks about subspace is literally in the section explaining the notable areas of the Earth/Living universe, go see the guide again if you want
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shows, a scan is worth a thousand words.
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Either way @Nullflowerblush ended any argument or debate possible over RoSaT existing inside or outside U7, we can move on with agree to disagree, it ain't changing anything of previous thread.
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it is in the "the universe" section, this guide is talking and explaining the section of the macrocosm, with this one being about the universe/living universe
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About that, it's actually on Earth, the entrance is on Earth, so if you destroy the door, there's no way you can access that location, it's still connected to Earth, whenever there's a door in the rooms of the time, they are connected to the planet
This speech by Freeza also places the room of time on a planet, but where it is outside Universe 7, but it is still connected with Universe 7, through a planet, outside also that if you destroy it it doesn't go to another dimension or go to limbo, you go back to the entry's origin location
there was no contradiction by the guide, in fact it is your interpretation that is bad
Exactly here, it is saying that it is on earth, that is why the entrance is on earth, but the entrance of the dimension leads to a different space-time
"the Room of Spirit and Time, which in D7 was classified as located in Area B-1 on Earth, has been reclassified as being a subspace."
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so it is talking about an access point and not the location of the dimension, therefore it does not prove that the rosat is inside the macrocosm
by a portal, if you destroy said portal there is no way to go back, you all but confirmed my point
explain why it is bad interpretation
again, if it is on Earth it would be inside the living universe and as such would be part of it, which contradicts the manga that says how it isn't part of the universe
you confirmed my point, thank you
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I tried reading through the thread and all I got is that, there are a lot of contradictory feats in DB.
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i still keep disagree.
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So it mentions that the RoSaT is on earth and then it says C4 adds a new area subspace which is basically a different dimensional space where time and space work differently then the dimensional space around it
So it calls the actual RoSaT a subspace and explains how the subspace works so no it’s not talking about the entrance
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well the other possibility, being a contradiction to the manga, it is then
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That explanation would make more sense but then it wouldn’t be useable for the anime
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yes it would, super manga is canon to the z manga, which is canon to dbs, whatever information we get from either is applicable since it would be applicable to the z manga
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What? Thats not how it works you can’t backscale like that an example would be the statement of ssj4 Gogeta being as strong as Vegito ssj but gt isn’t able to be used for the z anime but z anime is able to be used for gt plus the manga and anime are 2 different continuities like for example in the anime goku Has ssjb kaioken and in the manga he doesn’t
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