- 15,571
- 16,206
He said that in the ToP before any of the other mortal 2-Cs actually became 2-C.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Dragon Ball Super - Jiren and Co. Upgrade via Void Scaling
- Thread starter Zamasu_Chan
- Start date
-
- Tags
- dragon ball
- Status
SirAlex09
He/Him- 1,170
- 1,162
- 2,127
- 1,726
He even mentioned it during the ToP so doesn't really matter.
- 11,141
- 14,182
Testing the durability of the stage =/= going all out for it. They can test it even while going at 50% because according to them they are high above most mortals competing. If I have to test the durability of a table I am buying I won't hit it with a sledgehammer. They have no need to go for the overkill and the aftermath of their fight supports it. It's really silly to simply assume they were going all out without a statement knowing that none of the GoDs have ever gone all out in DBS. Even Beerus and Champa were stopped before they could.
- 15,571
- 16,206
Did you even read what I just said? Every mortal 2-C other than Jiren only became that strong AFTER WHIS MADE THAT STATEMENT.
- 15,571
- 16,206
Assuming they were holding back to such a degree requires more assumptions than saying the gods actually put in effort, especially when the latter stance is supported by statements made during their fight.
Going full strength =/= going overkill
- 31,591
- 28,054
Tell me about it, lol.
- 9,994
- 10,847
About the thing ig it's not necessary even if they were going all out considering that wov not getting destroyed can just be a plot like earth not getting affected and stage itself with standed so much there. Like earth cannot be low 2c cause it's withstand low 2c energy distruction and low 2c dimension can't be 2c just because it with stand 2c. My opinion tho.
- 11,141
- 14,182
What? .................. what?
- 31,591
- 28,054
In light of AKM's input on the thread, I'll be switching my vote back to Disagree.
- 2,127
- 1,726
Sure they were going all out without getting even a scratch and beerus and champa got all bruised and bloody without actually engaging in full power LOGIC
That being said all the agreeing side is saying they are saying they were testing the durability of the stage so destroying certain portion of the ring makes you 2-C ? There are characters who damaged the ring even more than the GoDs yet they are 3-A so either stop using the durability point or stop saying stage durability is irrelevant to the thread.
- 15,571
- 16,206
You assuming that the GoDs are holding back to some minuscule percentage of their power, which is never even remotely implied, requires more assumptions than just saying “the gods are actually trying to do what they’ve been instructed to do”
The fact that you’re going back to the stage thing proves you haven’t read through this thread.
- 15,571
- 16,206
No, it doesn’t. This idea was already debunked earlier in the thread.
- 192
- 79
The stage has never been low 2-C let alone 2-C
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,438
- 4,342
By that logic even Bulma is Low 2-C/2-C because she survived Beerus slapping her...
Or Jiren suppressing himself to the same degree against SSB Goku, SSG Goku (3-A) survivng attacks from Ikari Broly (Low 2-C) and more. Frieza survivng a 2-C hakai from Toppo in Base also an example
- 15,603
- 22,927
I agree with AKM
- 11,141
- 14,182
1. There is no assumption because the GoDs were never told to go all out.
2. It's implied by the aftermath.
3. We need clear cut statement for the positive assertion, more so when there is precedent for GoDs never going all out ever.
Be kind enough to tell me why? And why the same logic can't be applied to your proposal? If you're saying that they were vehemently trying to destroy the ring, then anybody making a significant crater should scale.
- 2,127
- 1,726
This isn't debunked. YOU CAN'T SAY TWO ENGAGING DESTROYERS DON'T HAVE KI CONTROL BY THIS LOGIC. You can't say they were going full power if the ring was sparred. Just look at the final scene they literally ganged up the ring with all their power. But it was less damaged than what 3-A characters did.
- 15,571
- 16,206
That’s not even remotely the same thing. Beerus slapping Bulma because he’s annoyed =/= three GoDs fighting because they’re trying to perform a task that the Grand Priest asked them to do.
Y’know Broly… gets stronger as he fights, right? He didn’t instantly jump from 3-A to Low 2-C just by going Ikari. And that’s not even mentioning how Broly movie SSG Goku could very well be a Low 2-C.
- 15,571
- 16,206
1. They were told to test the durability of the ring. If you’re testing the durability of something, why would you use a miniscule portion of your strength?
2. No, it’s literally not. In fact, multiple statements imply the opposite.
3. No, I think you need evidence to suggest they were holding back when literally nothing here says they were. One of the Kaioshin is concerned that the GoDs are taking their fight too far, Liquiir says they’re affirming their superiority. Neither of these statements imply they’re barely trying.
They caused damage to the ring with almost every single attack they made. There is no reason why anyone who can slightly damage the ring would be anywhere near the GoDs in attack potency.
- 15,571
- 16,206
They. Caused. Damage. With. Almost. Every. Single. Attack. They. Made.
The. Ring. Does. Not. Scale. To. The. Gods. Of. Destruction.
- 2,127
- 1,726
Darn. It's not full power then. Without Complete obliteration of the ring it suggest its not full power. The ring not getting completely destroyed is a proof that the power wasn't enough to be at the level of a 2-C construct (They didn't go full power)
- 11,141
- 14,182
1. Already answered.
2. I don't see any that's direct.
3. Kaioshin being concerned is also not enough proof they were going all out. It's not about them barely trying. It's about them not trying to their fullest. Both things can happen simultaneously.
The number of attacks don't matter.... what? If an attack with X amount of energy was able to damage the ring, and another energy attack was also able to damage the ring almost to the same extent, it should be around X.
Anyway, hard disagree here. Really disappointed.
- 15,571
- 16,206
Y’know what, I’ll get back to this later. The fact that this completed thread was re-opened without input from anyone involved is, to put it lightly, extremely shitty and annoying, and I’d rather not be debating in that headspace.
It’s also 4 AM over here and I really need to sleep.
It’s also 4 AM over here and I really need to sleep.
- 2,127
- 1,726
Tbh You know even that was stressed . Beerus and champa weren't supposed to be upgraded, all of upgrades were applied in a rush.
- 15,571
- 16,206
Okay, this is just blatantly false and you just not understanding the upgrade.
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,438
- 4,342
The Grand Priest only asked them to fight to check the durability of the stage. By no means that translate into them needing to fight all out, or even being anyehere near it
Well that still doesn't explain Frieza surviving GoD Toppo Hakai by your logic. And last time I checked Broly is not 3-A to 2-C in Ikari, only 2-C
- 11,141
- 14,182
Let's wait for DDM to respond here again after seeing the recent comments. He is the only remaining staff member who agreed apart from Lord Tracer that I can see. Worst case scenario - we'll have to revert back the changes.
- 9,994
- 10,847
But it was 7 pages long, no 8 pages. Ig discussion was good enough
- 192
- 79
This same argument again?. The Gods of destruction need not fight at full power, it's already been shown that if they engage in any form of combat it'll endanger two universes. This was shown when champa and Beerus were just throwing hands casually and their fight at the baseball game, they were threatening both universes. 3 Gods fought in WOV casual or not if WOV wasn't more durable than both U6&U7 it would've gotten destroyed and their fight didn't pose any apparent of significant effect on WOV.
- 2,127
- 1,726
All pages excluded beerus and champa from the upgrade. Only at the last moment, the OP decided to add them. This is how it should not work.
- 2,127
- 1,726
You all saying THEY NEED NOT GO FULL POWER IS HYPOCRITAL. Otherwise during the baseball match, they engaged in a bloody combat ,nothing happened. If beerus and champa fought each other holding back , this would make universe 7 2-C , which is false. Saying angels stopped is the same case here, grand priest stopped them.
SirAlex09
He/Him- 1,170
- 1,162
Not only did Grand Priest shieldhimself from the impact, all three GoD wanted to prove their superiority over the other to Zeno. That's enough to assume that they weren't holding back.
Even if we assume all three fighters start at fighting at 1 % , they would increase their power in tandem to be better than the other eventually reaching a point where GP has to put up a shield from their impact.
Even if we assume all three fighters start at fighting at 1 % , they would increase their power in tandem to be better than the other eventually reaching a point where GP has to put up a shield from their impact.
- 11,141
- 14,182
He was just shielding himself from the dust. But if that is the metric you want to use, then only those characters should scale who made GP shield himself. I don't recall GP shielding himself even when Jiren or UIO Goku shook the WoV, so that metric doesn't work.
SirAlex09
He/Him- 1,170
- 1,162
He shielded himself and Zeno against the Spirit bomb. The very same power that fueled Goku's UI
- 192
- 79
1. The Gods took part in the fight to show their superiority over the other universes...
2. It was implied by the antecedent. Reasons why it's more plausible that they were going all out
1. They wanted to prove their superiority over the other universes
2. They wanted to please zeno with their battle. Why would they risk displeasing zeno by holding back?
3. They were asked to test out the ring. The main purpose for the arena was supposed to handle God level of fighting without the arena getting obliterated
They don't need to go all out. Just gods casually throwing hands will lead to the destruction of 2 universes. It's safe to assume that 3 gods fighting will also lead to the destruction of two universes whether fighting at full power or not. 3 gods fought in WOV, WOV surviving the battle of 3 gods just means WOV>>> U6&7 which is 2-C.
The ring is irrelevant in this scaling... Destroying it doesn't grant any relevant scaling
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
