Dragon Ball Super - Jiren and Co. Upgrade via Void Scaling

[DivineAura44]

Their were characters destroying parts of the stage before goku even got ultra instinct

Which just means there were 2-C characters before UI Goku. They just don't scale to being above the 3 gods.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

this is exactly the point I made, and still stand by
which didn't work clearly so
let the L thread be an L thread, the staff decide all regardless of what logic dictates, and that's not changing, so just give it up

Unfollow the thread if you’re not gonna say anything productive.

 

[DivineAura44]

this is exactly the point I made, and still stand by
which didn't work clearly so
let the L thread be an L thread, the staff decide all regardless of what logic dictates, and that's not changing, so just give it up

That's based on an argument which wasn't the consensus. Who hurt you and in what way for you to insult the thread and be toxic to the people in the thread???

 

[Aachintya31]

Can this be closed now since it’s long since been argued and well goes over what’s needed to approve?

Yes ,it was funny tho that this ended in 7 pages with some mods again trying to ignore blatant feats

 

[Maitreya12]

this is exactly the point I made, and still stand by
which didn't work clearly so
let the L thread be an L thread, the staff decide all regardless of what logic dictates, and that's not changing, so just give it up

Aight.

Imma tell you what I told that other dude earlier. In that I think it’s best you hop off for the night or wherever you’re at. I get it you don’t like the stuff that’s been argued….

But you really do be buggin sometimes bro.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Unfollow the thread if you’re not gonna say anything productive.

no the thread clearly ended since the revisions are being applied, so idc really

 

[LordTracer]

Hold up, how did we even get to the idea of a 2-C stage? Damn near every single attack the GoDs throw out causes visible damage to the stage.

 

[Reio35]

Which just means there were 2-C characters before UI Goku. They just don't scale to being above the 3 gods.

So you argee with tien being 2-C for destroying a part of the stage?

 

[KLOL506]

Hold up, how did we even get to the idea of a 2-C stage? Damn near every single attack the GoDs throw out causes visible damage to the stage.

I was gonna ask the same thing. I thought the Tier 2 came from the WoV being undamaged by their attacks, and Toppo Reality Warping it is what made them scale to 2-C.

So why is the stage relevant again?

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

Btw, is this possibly viable as some minor supporting evidence/consistency for the >>GoDs scaling?

The Grand Priest clearly feared the Spirit Bomb (which various ToP god tiers scale to) doing far more collateral damage than what was considered from the GoDs fighting.

 

[Reio35]

I was gonna ask the same thing. I thought the Tier 2 came from the WoV being undamaged by their attacks, and Toppo Reality Warping it is what made them scale to 2-C.

So why is the stage relevant again?

I mean it's just an argument from ignorance we don't know if gods can destroy it over time or not.

 

[LordTracer]

Btw, is this possibly viable as some minor supporting evidence/consistency for the >>GoDs scaling?

The Grand Priest clearly feared the Spirit Bomb (which various ToP god tiers scale to) doing far more collateral damage than what was considered from the GoDs fighting.

Champa was also concerned by the power of the Universe 7 Genkidama iirc, but said Genkidama isn’t even accepted as Low 2-C atm… for some reason.

 

[sanicspood]

Has this complete shit show been accepted already?

 

[LordTracer]

Yes, it has been accepted.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Now can a mod please unlock the profiles so I can make the changes.

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

Champa was also concerned by the power of the Universe 7 Genkidama iirc, but said Genkidama isn’t even accepted as Low 2-C atm… for some reason.

Yeah, even Marcarita herself as well was worried for Jiren after feeling its power, despite it being common knowledge to them Jiren>>>Belmod and the GoDs.

So there’s that too, which should give further credibility to Grand Priest’s Spirit Bomb>> clashing GoDs notion.

 

[LordTracer]

Now can a mod please unlock the profiles so I can make the changes.

Emirp pinged Krukov earlier, so hopefully he’ll unlock the pages once he gets online.

 

[AguilaR202]

The arena argument isn’t very Good imo Gods by comparison fought for few seconds and destroyed a lot of the stage, anyone damaging later down the road is definitely only managing to do so after 20 minutes of non stop continuous figting from dozens of fighters had already taken place.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Now can a mod please unlock the profiles so I can make the changes.

You can ask it in the All Request thread smh, but fine I'll call more people.

@ElixirBlue @SamanPatou Mind helping unlocking the pages?

 

[Reio35]

The arena argument isn’t very Good imo Gods by comparison fought for few seconds and destroyed a lot of the stage, anyone damaging later down the road is definitely only managing to do so after 20 minutes of non stop continuous figting from dozens of fighters had already taken place.

Tien and many others destroyed large parts of the stage with one attack. Not to mention this stage is even more durable then the one the gods fought. No one should be breaking the stage at all regulars of how long it took them.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

The arena argument isn’t very Good imo Gods by comparison fought for few seconds and destroyed a lot of the stage, anyone damaging later down the road is definitely only managing to do so after 20 minutes of non stop continuous figting from dozens of fighters had already taken place.

Did you miss the part where they used the fight to reinforce the stage before the ToP? Hell, technically the stage was reinforced by the energies of three GoDs yet still gets busted apart later by ToP top tiers fighting.

 

[Aachintya31]

Tien and many others destroyed large parts of the stage with one attack. Not to mention this stage is even more durable then the one the gods fought. No one should be breaking the stage at all regulars of how long it took them.

Why is bringing stage relevant to the thread ?
You all have already lost the battle so just have a good sleep .

 

[AguilaR202]

Just to reinstate, the stage can’t be used for scaling because by the time significant portions are being destroyed characters it had already sustained tons of abuse and it’s highly likely the GoD fight also damaged its structural integrity beyond their actual ability to repair it.

hell it took 48 hours for GP to build it and it becomes very unlikely three Gods of Destruction even have the expertise to fully restore it to the state it was originally, just because superficial damage isn’t there doesn’t mean it’s internal structure wasn’t compromised, by the time we have non GoD characters breaking parts of the stage it can be assumed it is only because it had already suffered substantial abuse not just from the GoDs themselves but from literally everyone for several minutes.

 

[KLOL506]

The arena argument isn’t very Good imo Gods by comparison fought for few seconds and destroyed a lot of the stage, anyone damaging later down the road is definitely only managing to do so after 20 minutes of non stop continuous figting from dozens of fighters had already taken place.

AGAIN, what's with the Stage Argument? It's completely irrelevant to OP and the thread.

And like Aachintya said, y'all lost on that front, so just wait for a mod to close this thread.

 

[KLOL506]

Just to reinstate, the stage can’t be used for scaling because by the time significant portions are being destroyed characters it had already sustained tons of abuse and it’s highly likely the GoD fight also damaged its structural integrity beyond their actual ability to repair it.

hell it took 48 hours for GP to build it and it becomes very unlikely three Gods of Destruction even have the expertise to fully restore it to the state it was originally, just because superficial damage isn’t there doesn’t mean it’s internal structure wasn’t compromised, by the time we have non GoD characters breaking parts of the stage it can be assumed it is only because it had already suffered substantial abuse not just from the GoDs themselves but from literally everyone for several minutes.

WHY

ARE YOU

TALKING

ABOUT

THE STAGE?

It's irrelevant to scaling. WoV is the main meat and potatoes here for withstanding the GoDs' attacks unscathed but Jiren and Goku with UI and higher shook it, and Toppo straight up changed its color. STOP. NOW. We are way past this.

 

[Reio35]

Why is bringing stage relevant to the thread ?
You all have already lost the battle so just have a good sleep .

Overall the reasoning for the upgrade is pretty bad.

1. Gods not destroying the woV in their short fight is not an argument. Beerus and champa fighting for a fews seconds only destroyed a section of the floor. We don't know how long it takes for them to destroy a universe. You can simple argue the gods didn't have enough time or didn't have enough time to destroy the void.

 

[KLOL506]

Overall the reasoning for the upgrade is pretty bad.

1. Gods not destroying the woV in their short fight is not an argument. Beerus and champa fighting for a fews seconds only destroyed a section of the floor. We don't know how long it takes for them to destroy a universe. You can simple argue the gods didn't have enough time or didn't have enough time to destroy the void.

Timeframe is irrelevant and inapplicable to High 3-A structures and above, applies doubly so for Tier 2.

 

[AguilaR202]

Did you miss the part where they used the fight to reinforce the stage before the ToP? Hell, technically the stage was reinforced by the energies of three GoDs yet still gets busted apart later by ToP top tiers fighting.

They never did anything remotely compared to what you’re implying, they literally only just patched up the holes with more kachi katchin , even though the Grandpriest did say that thanks to their skirmish he found which areas of the stage needed improvement, he wasn’t the one who actually rebuilt it, so it can be inferred the stage at best was only as good as it was initially.

And the GoDs repairing it instead of GP further damages the notion any meaningful improvement was achieved considering their area of expertise is destroying shit, not building stuff.

 

[KLOL506]

They never did anything remotely compared to what you’re implying, they literally only just patched up the holes with more kachi katchin though the Grandpriest did say that thanks to their skirmish he found which areas of the stage needed improvement he wasn’t the one who rebuilt it so it can be inferred the stage at best was only as good as it was initially.

And the GoDs repairing it instead of GP further damages the notion any meaningful improvement was achieved considering their area of expertise is destroying shit, not building stuff.

Aguilar. Stop. This is my final warning. This is massively derailing from the original purpose of the thread that has already been concluded.

 

[Aachintya31]

1. Gods not destroying the woV in their short fight is not an argument. Beerus and champa fighting for a fews seconds only destroyed a section of the floor. We don't know how long it takes for them to destroy a universe. You can simple argue the gods didn't have enough time or didn't have enough time to destroy the void.

Unquantifiable infinity/ any time frame is still unquantifiable infinity .Moreover we are considering angel statement.

 

[KLOL506]

@Zamasu_Chan Sorry if this irritates you again, but Damage is neutral last time I checked.

 

[Reio35]

Unquantifiable infinity/ any time frame is still unquantifiable infinity .Moreover we are considering angel statement.

Timeframe is irrelevant and inapplicable to High 3-A structures and above, applies doubly so for Tier 2.

Not saying the gods arent universal. Im saying theirs no evidence they could not destroy the WoV. So i don't see how you can scale the WoV to 2C

 

[Axxtentacle]

So stage isn’t 2-C but GoDs have no ki control and their power extended out to the WoV and couldn’t perform any noticeable feat? So everywhere in the WoV is 2-C except the stage which their jobs was to try and destroy/damage?

this sounds like the most ridiculous argument that could be made.

...the argument is that the WoV is 2-C. The stage doesn't have to be, and it was literally covered in like, the first and second pages. Just go read.

 

[KLOL506]

Not saying the gods arent universal. Im saying theirs no evidence they could not destroy the WoV. So i don't see how you can scale the WoV to 2C

The mere fact that the Gods fighting each other emits 2-C energy by default because they're not supposed to fight?

 

[Reio35]

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Unquantifiable infinity/ any time frame is still unquantifiable infinity .Moreover we are considering angel statement.

The angle statement is pretty vague. Them being concerned is only cause the DC of the attack reaching them and destroying the area. But i don't think that's enough to say they scale to the gods. The grand priest actually put a shield around himself when the gods were fighting but not when goku and jiren wss fighting

 

[Reio35]

The mere fact that the Gods fighting each other emits 2-C energy by default because they're not supposed to fight?

When beerus and champa fought the universes was not destroyed instantly. So do we argue everyone in the woV has 2C durability for not dying after gokus 2C energy shook the void and everyone in it

 

[Firestorm808]

Since the proposal has been accepted, can someone list all the profiles that need to be revised for easy unlocking?

 

[Aachintya31]

The angle statement is pretty vague. Them being concerned is only cause the DC of the attack reaching them and destroying the area

The two of you must know your combat would inevitably lead to the destruction of both the 6th and 7th universes.
This is solid 2-C

The grand priest actually put a shield around himself when the gods were fighting but not when goku and jiren wss fighting

Thats being nitpicky ,there were moments in the tournament where indeed she put a shield.


I am not replying to this anymore.i don't want an 8th page.

 

[LordTracer]

Goku
Vegeta
Piccolo
Frieza
Android 17
Beerus
Champa
All the Angels
Kefla
Anilaza
Toppo
Gogeta
Broly
Jiren
Gamma 2
Cell Max
Likely Belmod

These are all the pages that need to be unlocked.

 

[LordTracer]

Also, since DBS profiles are in desperate need of references, let’s make sure to add them when this revision is applied. Here’s the ones from all the scans in the OP:

it's taboo for Gods of Destruction to fight each other

Dragon Ball Super: Episode 70 - A Challenge From Champa! This Time, a Baseball Game!

the destruction of more than one universe

Dragon Ball Super: Episode 28 - The 6th Universe's Destroyer! His Name Is Champa!

When Arak, Iwen and Liquir fight each other

Dragon Ball Super: Episode 96 - The Time Has Come! To the Null Realm with the Universes on the Line!

However, Jiren, while suppressed, and UIO1 Goku, shook the World of Void

Dragon Ball Super: Episode 109 - The Mightiest Enemy Zeroes in on Goku! Launch the Knockout Spirit Bomb Now!
Dragon Ball Super: Episode 110 - Goku Enkindled! The Awakened One's New Ultra Instinct!