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No they never destroyed the universe despite them going all out. Reality shattering is just in reference to them breaking into another dimension
Broly is valid he stated to be stronger than jiren
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No they never destroyed the universe despite them going all out. Reality shattering is just in reference to them breaking into another dimension
Broly is valid he stated to be stronger than jiren
It's confirmed by beerus the gods have ultra ego forms which they never used in that fight. Granted it's manga onlyBecause it wouldn't make sense. The whole purpose was to test the durability of something. Why would they make it so it wouldn't be affected? They weren't looking for a fight. They were looking to test the stage.
The stage would have worn down overtime.I fail to see how we can say the GoDs have 0 ki control then say the stage isn’t 2-C. So I propose fatigued base Goku be 2-C for doing more damage to the stage than the 3 GoDs did.
That's like saying "Beerus and Goku never destroyed the Universe so they're not Universe level". This is the dumbest argument against OP that I have ever seen in my life.No they never destroyed the universe despite them going all out. Reality shattering is just in reference to them breaking into another dimension
If you know it was manga only why was this brung up?It's confirmed by beerus the gods have ultra ego forms which they never used in that fight. Granted it's manga only
FOR THE LAST TIME, THIS IS NOT MANGA. THIS IS ANIME. STOP BRINGING IN MANGA STUFF INTO ANIME.It's confirmed by beerus the gods have ultra ego forms which they never used in that fight. Granted it's manga only
But you concede at one point the stage had 2-C durability?The stage would have worn down overtime.
I guess that would be fair, yes.But you concede at one point the stage had 2-C durability?
So how are you going to argue a bunch of finite 3D characters could wear down a 2-C stage?I guess that would be fair, yes.
Idk, this thread went from 1 to 6 pages overnight, I’d happily be deferred to the relevant comments.Wasn’t the shit about the stage already discussed?
They weren't finite 3-D?So how are you going to argue a bunch of finite 3D characters could wear down a 2-C stage?
Are we seriously talking about the stage again?I fail to see how we can say the GoDs have 0 ki control then say the stage isn’t 2-C. So I propose fatigued base Goku be 2-C for doing more damage to the stage than the 3 GoDs did.
So stage isn’t 2-C but GoDs have no ki control and their power extended out to the WoV and couldn’t perform any noticeable feat? So everywhere in the WoV is 2-C except the stage which their jobs was to try and destroy/damage?Are we seriously talking about the stage again?
It literally means nothing, we are not saying the stage is 2-C, lest we consider everyone who breaks or heavily damages a part of the stage to be 2-C as well, which would severely **** up the scaling and create so many inconsistencies that it's not even funny.
Then you'd be asserting the combined capacity of the gods isn't 2-C.Are we seriously talking about the stage again?
It literally means nothing, we are not saying the stage is 2-C, lest we consider everyone who breaks or heavily damages a part of the stage to be 2-C as well, which would severely **** up the scaling and create so many inconsistencies that it's not even funny.
Why do you think the characters who wore it down were finite 3-D?So stage isn’t 2-C but GoDs have no ki control and their power extended out to the WoV and couldn’t perform any noticeable feat? So everywhere in the WoV is 2-C except the stage which their jobs was to try and destroy/damage?
this sounds like the most ridiculous argument that could be made.
Because we see characters who aren’t currently rated 2-C do more damage to the stage than the GoDs did, like Kefla, and base Goku, Frieza and Jiren (worn out).Why do you think the characters who wore it down were finite 3-D?
My guy, my dude, my brother in Christ. I get it. I do.That's like saying "Beerus and Goku never destroyed the Universe so they're not Universe level". This is the dumbest argument against OP that I have ever seen in my life.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO DESTROY TO SCALE. JUST SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT OR ALTER IT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. THAT'S WHY YOU CAN BE BELOW THE BASELINE OF TIER 2 AND YOU'D STILL BE WITHIN THAT SAME TIER. TIER 2 DOESN'T OPERATE ON THE SAME ENERGY JOULE METRIC AS TIER 3 AND BELOW.
Yeah ofc they aren't currently rated 2-C. Virtually no one is. Base Goku, Frieza, and Jiren would have no problems breaking the stage after their stronger forms already weakened it.Because we see characters who aren’t currently rated 2-C do more damage to the stage than the GoDs did, like Kefla, and base Goku, Frieza and Jiren (worn out).
Uh no it's not. That's just wrong. Those are 2 different problems with 2 different solutions.Anyways the stage argument is kind of like “why didn’t earth blow up when goku and Beerus fought” when they had universal AP and energy being thrown around. They really just go from 0 to 100 real quick.
Unless you want characters like Tien to end up being 2-C for breaking parts of the arena - which is completely illogical because that'd be the equivalent of scaling him to the GoDs, something that is never portrayed as such in any sense - the arena isn't 2-C. We see the arena getting ****** up multiple times in the battle between the three GoDs like it's a wet piece of paper. Hell, literally them punching IN THE AIR causes it to break apart into rubble. That in no way means that the arena is 2-C. Like, at all. Gimme one good reason why it should be that way.So stage isn’t 2-C but GoDs have no ki control and their power extended out to the WoV and couldn’t perform any noticeable feat? So everywhere in the WoV is 2-C except the stage which their jobs was to try and destroy/damage?
Cool strawman lolThen you'd be asserting the combined capacity of the gods isn't 2-C.
This isn’t an AP vs DC argument. The upgrade side is saying the GoDs CANNOT hold back, yet they couldn’t destroy the stage, AND you’re arguing they couldn’t effect the WoV. This is incoherent.Anyways the stage argument is kind of like “why didn’t earth blow up when goku and Beerus fought” when they had universal AP and energy being thrown around. They really just go from 0 to 100 real quick.
….no actually they’re not. In fact it’s probably the most analogous example in the series itself.Uh no it's not. That's just wrong. Those are 2 different problems with 2 different solutions.
They literally have 2-C feats by the upgrades logic. So yes, I think they should be 2-C. No point in only going half way with the logic, it applies to everyone at the ToP. Not just those who you want upgraded.Unless you want characters like Tien to end up being 2-C for breaking parts of the arena - which is completely illogical because that'd be the equivalent of scaling him to the GoDs, something that is never portrayed as such in any sense - the arena isn't 2-C. We see the arena getting ****** up multiple times in the battle between the three GoDs like it's a wet piece of paper. Hell, literally them punching IN THE AIR causes it to break apart into rubble. That in no way means that the arena is 2-C. Like, at all. Gimme one good reason why it should be that way.
Cool strawman lol
….Yes the solution was ki control. But the GOD’s cannot do what goku did which results in the 2 universes being destroyed. Because they lack fundamental ki control that would prevent it from happening. The WoV withstanding 3 GOD’s fighting means it’s above the 2C feat.This isn’t an AP vs DC argument. The upgrade side is saying the GoDs CANNOT hold back, yet they couldn’t destroy the stage, AND you’re arguing they couldn’t effect the WoV. This is incoherent.
Beerus and Goku’s clash had Goku attempt to nullify the energy, and no other relevant counter argument fight included a GoD.
Huh? What 2-C feat?I can’t believe mods would soon rather let this be 2-C than an actual 2-C feat.
it would be a 2C feat though because the WoV can withstand 2C energy.I can’t believe mods would soon rather let this be 2-C than an actual 2-C feat.
We have been through this. Why are the GoDs using ki control if they WANT to destroy the stage...….Yes the solution was ki control. But the GOD’s cannot do what goku did which results in the 2 universes being destroyed. Because they lack fundamental ki control that would prevent it from happening. The WoV withstanding 3 GOD’s fighting means it’s above the 2C feat.
It could either be all together or as they power up the GOD’s lose their ability to control their ki properly but the analogy remains the same.
….what?We have been through this. Why are the GoDs using ki control if they WANT to destroy the stage...
Or maybe, just maybe, characters who scale to 2-C worn down the stage. I also wanna remind you that you'd be asserting the author is aware of the difference between 2-C and 3-A, which is dangerous territory.I can’t believe mods would soon rather let this be 2-C than an actual 2-C feat.
No, they do not, and your entire argument falls apart if you literally just watch the fight. The arena breaks very easily, and we can see that in the aftermath where there are rocks and dust littered everywhere across it. I guess we should treat the ground in the final part of the Gohan vs. Cell fight as 4-B because the Kamehameha clash couldn't expand much further after a little bit.They literally have 2-C feats by the upgrades logic. So yes, I think they should be 2-C. No point in only going half way with the logic, it applies to everyone at the ToP. Not just those who you want upgraded.
Their were characters destroying parts of the stage before goku even got ultra instinctOr maybe, just maybe, characters who scale to 2-C worn down the stage. I also wanna remind you that you'd be asserting the author is aware of the difference between 2-C and 3-A, which is dangerous territory.
this is exactly the point I made, and still stand bySo stage isn’t 2-C but GoDs have no ki control and their power extended out to the WoV and couldn’t perform any noticeable feat? So everywhere in the WoV is 2-C except the stage which their jobs was to try and destroy/damage?
this sounds like the most ridiculous argument that could be made.