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It's like, how do you expect me to react to that? Not a comment like "Guys look at this cool video", just posted raw. It's insane.This has been linked here with no context so many times...
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It's like, how do you expect me to react to that? Not a comment like "Guys look at this cool video", just posted raw. It's insane.This has been linked here with no context so many times...
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I want to share this video on here. Want to see what y'all's thoughts are on the analysis after watching it
I'm about 50/50 when it comes to Namek Saga Super Saiyan Vegeta vs Namek Saga Frieza, give or take. Because on the one hand, I think your arguments make a lot of sense, but on the other hand? I think Frieza actually has a few solid advantages of his own.I agree that stat-wise, Vegeta is probably not strong enough to win. Vegeta was above Third Form Frieza in power by the end, and while we don’t know how strong that is exactly, we know he was probably weaker than Base Goku’s 3 Million, and we know he’s stronger than Second Form Frieza (1 Million). So putting him at 2 million, (which fits the statement Null was using to argue at least 2x increases per form except for the Final form, the numbers he cited {though I don’t know where he got them from}). So does 2.4 Million, since if the Third Form is at least double Second Form, Vegeta would have to be above 2 million, not 2 million exactly. Though saying 2.4 million is kinda arbitrary. It could be just 2.2 Mil, or 2.3 Mil.
For posterity, though, I’ll say for argument he’s as low as possible—2 Million. That puts Vegeta at 100 Million, and slightly weaker than 100% Frieza. However, I don’t think he’d lose. Goku was able to beat Frieza around for a time/hold his own when Frieza was holding himself slightly higher than Goku via his training. Vegeta, while not as skilled as Goku at this point, should be capable of the same. As even when he became a basic SSJ in the future (Android Saga), he was capable of holding onto his mental faculties.
This, combined with Frieza’s dwindling stamina, Vegeta’s slightly lower strength, smarter approach to battle (though it would understandably still be blinded by his ego to an extent), and experience leads me to believe he’d win. It just would be an incredibly difficult battle.
Actually, a thought occurs. Even though Vegeta is weaker, his attacks should be stronger. Since he learned how to manipulate his Ki like an Earthling by this point, which allows one to massively enhance their own powers via burst precision (simulating higher levels of power than you actually have), and Ki attacks that inflate your PL. So its fully possible his attacks are decently stronger than Frieza (not consistently, mind you), to get around the physical advantage Frieza has anyway. Frieza's durability IS pretty absurd, but Vegeta at this point has his own Destructo Disk, so if he fights intelligently he can cut him down. The psychic powers would definitely be an issue, though. However, I don't think it'd be too much of one-Especially because once Frieza hits 100%, he drops it entirely in favor of trying to abuse his physicals.I'm about 50/50 when it comes to Namek Saga Super Saiyan Vegeta vs Namek Saga Frieza, give or take. Because on the one hand, I think your arguments make a lot of sense, but on the other hand? I think Frieza actually has a few solid advantages of his own.
For one, I think Frieza has better durability given that he was getting up pretty consistently even though he was thirty million points below Super Saiyan Goku and even when his stamina was dwindling. So even though his stamina drain is substantial, Frieza's absurd durability and survivability make tanking attacks from a weaker Super Saiyan a little more easy for Frieza. And alongside Frieza's psychic abilities giving him some legway over Vegeta, I think his biggest advantage is that he's known Vegeta for decades so I can see him doing the shit he did during the TOP and psychologically messing with Vegeta to get him to make a fatal mistake, which I think he could do due to how good Frieza is with messing around with people and Vegeta's ego and arrogance.
Again I think it's 50/50, but Frieza defeating a hypothetical Super Saiyan Vegeta has some logic to it.
Isn't this argument based off of PL's being linear though or am I misunderstanding something?I agree that stat-wise, Vegeta is probably not strong enough to win. Vegeta was above Third Form Frieza in power by the end, and while we don’t know how strong that is exactly, we know he was probably weaker than Base Goku’s 3 Million, and we know he’s stronger than Second Form Frieza (1 Million). So putting him at 2 million, (which fits the statement Null was using to argue at least 2x increases per form except for the Final form, the numbers he cited {though I don’t know where he got them from}). So does 2.4 Million, since if the Third Form is at least double Second Form, Vegeta would have to be above 2 million, not 2 million exactly. Though saying 2.4 million is kinda arbitrary. It could be just 2.2 Mil, or 2.3 Mil.
For posterity, though, I’ll say for argument he’s as low as possible—2 Million. That puts Vegeta at 100 Million, and slightly weaker than 100% Frieza. However, I don’t think he’d lose. Goku was able to beat Frieza around for a time/hold his own when Frieza was holding himself slightly higher than Goku via his training. Vegeta, while not as skilled as Goku at this point, should be capable of the same. As even when he became a basic SSJ in the future (Android Saga), he was capable of holding onto his mental faculties.
This, combined with Frieza’s dwindling stamina, Vegeta’s slightly lower strength, smarter approach to battle (though it would understandably still be blinded by his ego to an extent), and experience leads me to believe he’d win. It just would be an incredibly difficult battle.
I want to share this video on here. Want to see what y'all's thoughts are on the analysis after watching it
Yeah, the anime exaggerates the fight. My own post is purely from the manga.Should be noted Freezer got curbstomped by Goku in the manga while it's the anime that makes them more even.
Eyy two of them done by my mutual
1498 QuettatonsUsing Toei anime scaling is this right?
A power level of 60,000 (562 Quettatons; 1.5 times weaker then Namek Saga base Goku)
*Great Ape: 5,620 Quettatons
A power level is 160,000 is?
For the power level of 160,000?1498 Quettatons
1 yeahFor the power level of 160,000?
And I was right for the first one of 60,000?
i mean.....they did all have individual space times without the extra time dimension statement into consideration earlier, but still wasn't Low 1-C, the other time dimension statement of the ROSAT and Time Room was what made the timeline Low 1-C, without those it would still be 2-C, altho i don't think anyone can find a way to disprove the ROSAT for that to matter..........so mehThe hypertimeline literally only gets disproven if you can prove there is a singular time stream for the whole 13 universes and subdimensions of them, even just having 2 different spacetimes confirmed to exist in all of the multiverse would still make DB timelines Low 1-C because of hierarchical superiority.
Hyperbole, he transcends Hit's ability, hence the resistance, if he truly transcends time he would not be affected, but is being affected
With the hit's abilities being accepted as 5D, well, you already know...And don't try to upgrade Jiren over Infinite Zamasu if he can be 5D, are you understanding?
They would only gain resistance to 5D time stop, nothing more than that.With the hit's abilities being accepted as 5D, well, you already know...
L*w 1-C has become a a cringe tier everyone and their mother has.snip
it became the new Low 2-C frL*w 1-C has become a a cringe tier everyone and their mother has.
I hate it honestly. 3-A is the new planetary and low 1-C is the new universal and outerversal is the new multiversalL*w 1-C has become a a cringe tier everyone and their mother has.
Broly is not considered canon for Toei continuity iirchey shouldn't toei goku have a key for when he gets energy from his friends? 3-B for oneshotting Z Broly?
paragus is literally in fusion rebornBroly is not considered canon for Toei continuity iirc
You'd have to ask the staff that made that lolparagus is literally in fusion reborn
not canon to the Toei Anime Continuityhey shouldn't toei goku have a key for when he gets energy from his friends? 3-B for oneshotting Z Broly?
ok and? there is like, no way to fit that movie in the Toei Continuity at allparagus is literally in fusion reborn
i don't see why we couldn't use it anyways, there's verses with much less consistency in their loreok and? there is like, no way to fit that movie in the Toei Continuity at all
i can't use it since......it doesn't work, it doesn't fit at alli don't see why we couldn't use it anyways, there's verses with much less consistency in their lore
, Garlic Jr and Fusion reborn at least have direct statements that directly connects them to the Toei Continuity.....Broly? not so much, as for the 10 days wait? well, 1 we see most of these days in the Toei Anime 2 Goku and Gohan are not in Super Saiyan, when then they never turned it off at all in the wait for the Cell Games 3 Vegeta wouldn't ever stop for a picnic in the brink of the Cell games.........it doesn't really makes sensewe also already use fusion reborn which blatantly doesn't fit anywhere on the timeline either (worse than movie 8 even since you can just say that takes place during the 10 day wait) but we give it to the toei keys anyways cause GT treats fusion reborn as canon
Broly and the rest of the toei movies have a direct connection to fusion reborn since the characters from the movie appear while invading Earth, you can see Bojack, a crusher corp member, Paragus etc.i can't use it since......it doesn't work, it doesn't fit at all
, Garlic Jr and Fusion reborn at least have direct statements that directly connects them to the Toei Continuity.....Broly? not so much, as for the 10 days wait? well, 1 we see most of these days in the Toei Anime 2 Goku and Gohan are not in Super Saiyan, when then they never turned it off at all in the wait for the Cell Games 3 Vegeta wouldn't ever stop for a picnic in the brink of the Cell games.........it doesn't really makes sense
cute little references........still we know that it can't be the same ones from the earlier movies since most of them do not fit at allBroly and the rest of the toei movies have a direct connection to fusion reborn since the characters from the movie appear while invading Earth, you can see Bojack, a crusher corp member, Paragus etc.
Interview that would have happened in the state of utter chaos the the Cell games waiting period was in? was even the plot of some filler from the Toei anime evenI feel like with it not fitting with the movie you could just justify Goku going into base for Gohan's interview
......when said "bad writting" is from something that we have no statements of being cannon and that for other factors doesn't fit then i don't think it is a simple bad writting moment anymore, at least, not unless you can prove the premise you are trying to say makes it bad writting in the first place, and Vegeta is simply a victim of bad writing like other Toei filler moments (Gohan jobbing to a regular ass whip moment)
which is why we didn't considered it cannon at all until we got a direct statement in the GT Guides.......not the others thoI feel like you can't really say that Fusion Reborn fits the timeline but others don't without just applying headcanon to it, there's literally no timeslot for the movie to have happened since Goku and Vegeta are never dead at the same time long enough to fight Janemba
oh yes i can when it comes to making the movie canon, references are still a thing, when the thing getting referenced doesn't fit, i can simply say that it is a reference as otherwise it cannot fit, and you can't really ignore the blatant appearances of Paragus and stuff
Paragus
Directory: Characters → Villains → DBZ villains → Movie villains Directory: Characters → Saiyan This article is about the original incarnation of Paragus. For the new incarnation of the character from the main dimension, see Paragus (DBS). For other uses, see Paragus (disambiguation). Paragus...dragonball.fandom.com