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honestly this is beyond tiring, I'm not gonna bother reading any of that and attempt to explain again only for you to replace my entire argument with your strawman. take that however you want
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Sakon, who else?which character?
Hear me out, but what if, the ToP time was Immeasurable, like what happens if an Immeasurable speed lad starts counting ya know
that was essentially my argument but the nature of the neutral zone debunks that.Hear me out, but what if, the ToP time was Immeasurable, like what happens if an Immeasurable speed lad starts counting ya know
Well just make the Universe Infinite and then well ummmI really like seeing the fear in people's eyes because of the immeasurable speed of Dragon Ball or something like that
Whis explicitly isn't allowed to use his full power which means he cant fly at his full speeds either. another non-argumentimmeasurable speed in DB is nonsense. When everyone clearly needs time for a finite distance such as Whis.
So SSB Goku>holding back Whis? Also he always uses a technique to fly across the universe with the staff. So it's heavily implied without it he is far slower.Whis explicitly isn't allowed to use his full power which means he cant fly at his full speeds either. another non-argument
i didn't say thatSo SSB Goku>holding back Whis?
changes nothing. he can't use more than a certain amount of powerAlso he uses a technique to fly across the universe with the staff.
That is the implication tho. Goku having a faster than finite speed >>> finite speed holding back whisi didn't say that
forgot he existedSakon, who else?
that just proves Whis can do it as well but doesnt because he specifically isnt allowed to exert himself. even Beerus at one point considered Whis slow so that isnt something weird.That is the implication tho. Goku having a faster than finite speed >>> finite speed holding back whis
It does because Whis always uses the technique "warp" to travel. Meaning he himself is far slower than the staff. We have also Beerus a MUI tier character who is far below Whis warp.i didn't say that
changes nothing. he can't use more than a certain amount of power
When is Whis ever stated to not be allowed to use his full power / flight speed? The only restriction on Whis is that he can't take biased actions in conflicts.Whis explicitly isn't allowed to use his full power which means he cant fly at his full speeds either. another non-argument
wasnt that stated? maybe I am misremembering the statement idkWhen is Whis ever stated to not be allowed to use his full power / flight speed? The only restriction on Whis is that he can't take biased actions in conflicts.
that's game stuff i'm pretty sureIt does because Whis always uses the technique "warp" to travel.
bullshitMeaning he himself is far slower than the staff.
proof?We have also Beerus a MUI tier character who is far below Whis warp.
That's an argument for another dayWell just make the Universe Infinite and then well ummm
if we do that we're gonna end up with either infinite speed or high 3-A manga ZWell just make the Universe Infinite and then well ummm
The name is only game, the technique is shown in the anime many times. If he isn't than why not use his own speed rather than relying on the staff's speed? Beerus to Whis "Can you go any faster". Whis "this is fast as I can go" and Beerus stays in the white warpthat's game stuff i'm pretty sure
bullshit
proof?
I agree that Whis probably isn’t limited this way, but there is some minor implication. Merus using his Angel Powers to train Goku, for example, was considered broaching the line. This implies that there is also some level of power they can’t cross. That SAID, Whis is constantly training Goku and Vegeta with Ultra Instinct thanks to its passive status within his physiology, so I elect to believe it’s either Merus Specific (He’s in training and on a Mortal Life Leave), or proportional to the Angel in question.When is Whis ever stated to not be allowed to use his full power / flight speed? The only restriction on Whis is that he can't take biased actions in conflicts.
no the "technique" itself is only distinguished as a technique separate from his flight in games. in both the manga and anime its just Whis's flight speed, nothing more. the anime and manga dont make the distinction only the games do.The name is only game, the technique is shown in the anime many times
cuz they're the same as I said. He IS relying on his own speed. the distinction only comes from the game. his staff's speed is never referred to as a separate "ability" in any canon mediaIf he isn't than why not use his own speed rather than relying on the staff's speed?
which is disproven when Whis comes from beerus's planet to earth in under a minute on screen and says he has never flown this fast before in the Arale episode.Beerus to Whis "Can you go any faster". Whis "this is fast as I can go" and Beerus stays in the white warp
that's just bullshit lol. this proves that the problem isnt DB's speed having (too many) outliers the problem is the incredulity of a few people who have a strict headcanon as to what Dragon Ball should beDid you forget? When the universe was accepted as infinite, infinite speed was considered atypical.
In terms of speed, the only thing that would happen would be a downgrade since that calculation could no longer be used.
Granted Whis definitely isn't using his full power in sparring matches; he could knock out Beerus with a tap after all so he definitely isn't fighting at that level when training Goku and Vegeta. Doesn't mean he has to limit himself outside of that.I agree that Whis probably isn’t limited this way, but there is some minor implication. Merus using his Angel Powers to train Goku, for example, was considered broaching the line. This implies that there is also some level of power they can’t cross. That SAID, Whis is constantly training Goku and Vegeta with Ultra Instinct thanks to its passive status within his physiology, so I elect to believe it’s either Merus Specific (He’s in training and on a Mortal Life Leave), or proportional to the Angel in question.
Well, at the time it was considered outlier. And well, I doubt anything has changed since that time.that's just bullshit lol. this proves that the problem isnt DB's speed having (too many) outliers the problem is the incredulity of a few people who have a strict canon as to what Dragon Ball should be
That’s what I mean by proportional. Merus using his Angel Power (Ultra Instinct and that general level), is a problem—But Whis at that level is fine because he’s not taking it seriously at all.Granted Whis definitely isn't using his full power in sparring matches; he could knock out Beerus with a tap after all so he definitely isn't fighting at that level when training Goku and Vegeta. Doesn't mean he has to limit himself outside of that.
I'm in agreement with you. Whis stated that Merus was going to use his full strength.That’s what I mean by proportional. Merus using his Angel Power (Ultra Instinct and that general level), is a problem—But Whis at that level is fine because he’s not taking it seriously at all.
False. We see Whis tap in space with the staff and than it creates a white warp. Clearly showing it's the staff ability.no the "technique" itself is only distinguished as a technique separate from his flight in games. in both the manga and anime its just Whis's flight speed, nothing more. the anime and manga dont make the distinction only the games do.
cuz they're the same as I said. He IS relying on his own speed. the distinction only comes from the game. his staff's speed is never referred to as a separate "ability" in any canon media
which is disproven when Whis comes from beerus's planet to earth in under a minute on screen and says he has never flown this fast before in the Arale episode.
nothing about that proves its a separate ability. and what warp? what is that? I've never heard that term in manga or anime so i have no idea what you're on about.False. We see Whis tap in space with the staff and than it creates a white warp. Clearly showing it's the staff ability.
exactly, he always just seems to be on the same level no matter what.I don't believe we have even seen whis power up
He does, yeah.Seriously tho why don't we have a skill chain for dragon ball (to Z) and then a separate one for Supers anime and manga, and then Toei (+ GT)
Like ain't Grampa Gohan knows all martial arts or something?
He clearly uses the staff by taping it on the ground in ground or in space: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/d.../smart/width/386/height/259?cb=20190831033529nothing about that proves its a separate ability. and what warp? what is that? I've never heard that term in manga or anime so i have no idea what you're on about.
Me asking is a reason we should probably have a skill blogHe does, yeah.
dead link plus that link is about the temporal do-over. completely different thing.He clearly uses the staff by taping it on the ground in ground or in space: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/d.../smart/width/386/height/259?cb=20190831033529
prove that. also makes no difference but try proving thatThat white warp isn't Whis own aura.
makes no difference.Also Whis staff has more technique such as: staff dimension and its not Whis own technique als. Yet it doesn't have a name either.
why a blog? just put in the relevant Characters inteligence Section, in the others say "scales to x character" and be done with itMe asking is a reason we should probably have a skill blog