- 16,181
- 13,880
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
- Start date
- 1,092
- 198
Nope, look at the recent post in Ningen and DBS about SBG or read the comments with "SSG" as search. You will see almost everyone saying it got retconned since U6 and Kanzenshuu says the same thing. Also none of my arguments are from comicvine but from watching the show and information from movie.
- 1,967
- 1,664
- 1,967
- 1,664
none of that is happening, no one thinks it got retconned, at least not most of the scaling community. plus even if that was true that would just be an appeal to popularity fallacy
- 12,456
- 4,480
Why are you not making a thread to make that accepted then?
- 1,967
- 1,664
she made like 5 of them. the fact that none of them got accepted is precisely why she comes on this thread to try and peddle that nonsense
- 1,092
- 198
Here some evidence:
SSB is THE SSJ form with SSG
Only SSB is beyond SSG power:
Again only SSB (SSJ) is beyond SSG
☝)So yellow SSJ being 50x SSG is fan-fiction.
- 12,456
- 4,480
........how is she not Topic Banned already?
Fezzih_007
He/Him- 7,777
- 2,893
They are all wrong, that's kinda simple.
- 1,967
- 1,664
beats me. I wish she was
- 1,967
- 1,664
game screenshots arent canon. Only canon element from this game is the encyclopedia.Here some evidence:
SSB is THE SSJ form with SSG
So going SSJ on SSG power is always SSB (SSJ)
Only SSB is beyond SSG power:
Again only SSB (SSJ) is beyond SSG
(Uhm, actually Goku, you could go SSJ3 and become 400 times beyond SSG power
So yellow SSJ being 50x SSG is fan-fiction.
- 1,035
- 762
I'm tempted to not reply but here we go.Here some evidence:
SSB is THE SSJ form with SSG
So going SSJ on SSG power is always SSB (SSJ)
Only SSB is beyond SSG power:
Again only SSB (SSJ) is beyond SSG
(Uhm, actually Goku, you could go SSJ3 and become 400 times beyond SSG power
So yellow SSJ being 50x SSG is fan-fiction.
1-You do realize that base goku in G.o.G in base preformed a much better feat Tyan ssg, right?
1-You know that ssj preformed a much better feat than ssg, right?
3-You know that's its literally stated in the anime that goku absorbed SSG power in base? Aka, now in base he is as strong as ssg, right?
4-you know that ssb is literally going ssg, and then ssj ontop of it right? It's literally called super saiyan god super saiyan. Right?
5-And if you wanna use kakarot, I can also use dbh which has ssr3.
- 1,092
- 198
These are lore statements based on RoF and not gameplay mechanics and in other thread it's accepted. So give me evidence that these statements aren't accurate.
- 1,092
- 198
1. That's before U6 arc
2. That's also before U6 arc and SSG power grew stronger
3. True, but that's before the retcon
4. False in RoF his base is SSG, he doesn't go SSG. He stacks SSJ on his base SSG power and god-ki thus creating SSB.
5. DBZ Kakarot has canonical information while DBH is fan-fiction tier writing
- 1,092
- 198
Also Goku in BoG never stacked SSG power with regular SSJ1-3. Because he had to obtain god-ki/perfect ki control to multiplie SSG power by 50x with SSB (SSJ) as mentioned by Whis. Whis also stated before Goku had perfect Ki control that yellow SSJ form power increase is insignificant making it the deathblow. Because you NEED perfect Ki control multiply SSG power which requires SSB. Bruuuuh
- 12,254
- 6,205
Could you just not bring this up again and again, please don't derail our discussion thread with repeated arguments.
- 12,456
- 4,480
Make. a. thread.
- 31,580
- 28,033
- 2,720
- 3,206
Okay—This actually consistently bothers me. What retcon? Where in the story is this stated? Where does Goku say “I’ve temporarily lost my powers because Eto Bleh.” Even when Saiyan Beyond God “was a thing,” Toriyama said he still could go SSJ2-3, but that he “rarely would” because it was just better to use regular SSJ. At no point is there a moment where the plot is, inexplicably, rewritten. Hell, even when Toriyama said Goku never needed to go SSG again, that’s all he said. Not that he COULDN’T—Just that it was unnecessary.
- 1,092
- 198
But they can't refute it the evidence other than to bringing threats against me: "I'm going to report you!". So REFUTE the FACTS
- 12,254
- 6,205
Can we do anything about it? She keeps mentioning it over and over and can't get better, i think getting a permanent ban from DB would be good.
- 1,092
- 198
Because Goku going SSJ is always SSB in RoF. Frieza says go "SSJ" and Goku says "I don't need to go SSJ" and what do see its SSB, because at that time SSB is THE SSJ form. Also in DBZ Kakarot just calls it "SSJ" because Akira vision was base=SSG and SSB is the new regular SSJ form but U6 shows yellow SSJ again.
- 5,632
- 671
I have seen nothing form you that supports the existence of the retcon you claim
- 31,580
- 28,033
To be fair I don't think that's what is meant by a retcon here; I think they're referring to it being phased out / no longer mentioned / dropped. Not someone explicitly acknowledging it in-universe and saying they can no longer do it.
- 1,092
- 198
Can't refute anytime so lets use censorship
- 5,632
- 671
Goku not needing to use it dosen't equal it not existing anymore
- 12,254
- 6,205
Honestly, we've discussed this with you a million times and we're just tired of it, just stop, we are asking politely.Can't refute anytime so lets use censorship
- 1,092
- 198
It didn't exist. Akira literally said "Only base and SSJ (SSB) exist from now on, because he never planned anything beyond RoF when he made the movie.
- 5,632
- 671
Nothing in the text proves that. Goku not needing it can just mean blue is better, which it clearly is
- 1,092
- 198
And I got nonsense fan-fiction answers such as: SSG x SSG
- 1,035
- 762
1-"That's before U6" stfu, buu safa was also before U6, does that mean it's retconed? No. You can't just say "Before U6" and expect people to agree with your dumb ass argument.
2-Same as 1, and so what if ssg power grew stronger...? Goku grows stronger all the time tf.
4-....his base isn't ssg, his base is literally his dark normal hair form, you can't be serious. Also contradicted by the fact that he can go ssj1-3 normally so your argument isn't just stupid, I literally makes zero sense. He literally stacks ssj ontop of ssg, not ontop of base form. Because if he did, he wouldn't be able to turn into ssj. Like bro, he literally goes to ssj, ssg, and then ssb.
5- idgaf, bring up arguments from the Canon.
- 5,632
- 671
You just dislike the answer.And I got nonsense fan-fiction answers such as: SSG x SSG
- 1,035
- 762
...wtf is even ssg x ssg...?And I got nonsense fan-fiction answers such as: SSG x SSG
- 12,254
- 6,205
- 1,092
- 198
The idea that Goku base SSG power gets multiplied by SSG transformation.
- 5,632
- 671
There refering to SSG power becoming base power meaning that using the SSG form would be that form's power by itself ignoring that we don't see the form again for a long time after blue came around
- 1,092
- 198
False. As it is shown that SSB is the SSJ form in RoF twice by Frieza and Goku himself.
- 1,035
- 762
Is ssg x ssg a new ship? Did jjk brainpower effect dbs? Find out on the next episode of "Veronica isn't just wrong, she's not making any sense"
- 5,632
- 671
Your fighting against very explicit text literally saying that's ehat happened. No one liked at the time but it's the truth
- 1,035
- 762
We don't see it much because ssb is just a better form?
