The guide’s statements from the game is eh, they even call it their own theory. But as for the Daizenshuu, maybe? In the namek saga we do know frieza was attacking the core and the explosion of the core can result in an explosion capable of destroying the planet beyond its GBE. Like completely vaporizing it. So it does hold some merit.
The argument was towards it being a chain reaction towards planet feat but I don't see that
True, I don't see how would this prove all the planet feats in Db are chain reaction
Well it’d scale to AP either way
I personally don’t agree with it all being a chain reaction, but according to the Daizenshuu, the main ones in the primary series are chain reactions.
I mean the argument is to prove "All dragon ball planet busting feats are chain reaction" like I don't see how just one destruction feat would limited the others
The namek one's are but in the vegeta one case? Nah not really
who made that argument?
Namek, kid buu and frieza. There’s only one which isn’t effected by this statements and the means of destruction is unknown tbh (Vegeta)
I mean the destruction wouldn't be a chain reaction since the meaning of chain reaction goes against it. A chain reaction typically involves a series of interconnected events where each event triggers the next one, leading to a cumulative effect. Kid buu just use a huge ki even goku stated it could destroy the planet. I agree with Frieza one though
Eh don't agree nor should we care about it we go by wats shown
Yeah plus it kinda feels like an AoE fallacy plus there's an in-universe explanation why characters don't go around blowing up planets, stars and other celestial bodies every time they fight or power up.
I wasn’t saying it creates a chain reaction, I’m referring to the statement that says the attack causes the magma to swell which results in the planets explosion. On paper it’s planet destruction but the Daizenshuu makes it seem to be out of ability vs sheer ap.
TBF Viz kind of missed the mark in this scene saying he detonated the core here. The raw, the Anime subs of the same sentence, and Herms' strength checker all cite that he says he outright destroyed the core itself which would've resulted in the delayed reaction of the planet blowing apart due to having no core(weird mechanic, I know, but it's definitely a step above merely detonating the core featwise).
We aren’t really shown much are we?
The here is? No one is making the argument that they’re not planet busters bc they don’t always destroy the planet, the dude asked our opinion on the Daizenshuu saying the planet feats are due to magma swelling up and dispersing, main example being namek or PV destruction.
True on this part, guess I can take Namek off that list but the destruction of the core wouldnt cause the planet to go boom. We see in several planets that this caused the magma and to swell out and engulf the entire planet in flames (manga states the planet had turned into a giant fireball) and eventually exploded, which matches what the Daizenshuu says. All of it is just weirdTBF Viz kind of missed the mark in this scene saying he detonated the core here. The raw, the Anime subs of the same sentence, and Herms' strength checker all cite that he says he outright destroyed the core itself which would've resulted in the delayed reaction of the planet blowing apart due to having no core(weird mechanic, I know, but it's definitely a step above merely detonating the core featwise).
And after all, he only went the destroying the core route this particular time on purpose to be able to continue the fight, and Goku even remarks he could still blow the planet up if he wanted (which at this point, already has its core destroyed so there's not really any way for him to initiate anothe chain reaction again as far as I can tell).
I mean I got one of my friend who explain that it's actually greater than that, plus the character would have to do a crazy power to affect the magma. His other friend explain why its greater than planet level
There is also this thing
I’d just say that they don’t know what they’re talking about. The means of effecting the magma is unknown, it could be the heat of the blasts making them swell, some form of magma manipulation. Anything, we don’t know. But almost every iteration of a planet exploding its not a traditional shockwave which instantly destroys the planet, always a lot of magma swelling around the planet, engulfing and eventually the planet exploding, which matches the Daizenshuu’s statement.
When referencing the statement in the Daizenshuu, it matches it’s description. If it was destroying the planet via an engulfing shockwave, dispersing it at any point would still destroy the planet. But if it’s effecting the magma which then destroys the planet by dispersing exploding, then this scene wouldn’t conflict with anything presented.
Do we see the contact? Do we actually see the beam explode outside of the planet exploding? While the anime isn’t canon, it shows how something like this would play out. This doesn’t really contradict my statement .He throws another and it instantly blows up the planet upon contact
Given how Toei DBZ has so many differences from the DBZ manga, this has little relevance
That doesn’t dismiss the questions I asked? I even state that it isn’t canon, but it shows how it would happen. Frieza’s explosion of Planet Vegeta shows this, chain reaction of the magma erupting and eventually disrupting. Namek itself is a clear cut example.
I wonder if there is an ability for this? Planet Destruction Mastery?
Manga-wise we have confirmation that Goku and Vegeta haven't been seen since the Moro Saga. We haven't gotten the SH adaptation fully yet so it could change some scaling but if the statements are the same? Gohan and Piccolo aren't 'sure' if Goku could have beaten Cell Max, presumably meaning the Moro Saga UI Goku they last saw, but with an unknown growth since then, but they also admit they wouldn't have won without Gamma 2's sacrifice weakening Cell Max.
what does goku say in japanese? iirc there is some kanji that can mean either "realm" "dimension" or "planet", not completely sure thoHm
I always trought It was.
Gas never went to Beerus’s planet
