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Heck no not with Whis stating Goku was entering the realm of angels with his mastery of Ultra Instinct and Vegeta learning Ultra Ego. They are well in the realm of beating Beerus
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Honestly GoDs are becoming the biggest retroactive characters in terms of power in DBS, everytime Goku and Vegeta get buffs it's revealed Beerus is still hiding more of his true power. At this point it's pretty evident BoG wasn't written with several future arcs in mind (a few at best imo), Beerus using an infinitesimal small fraction of his "true" power was impressed by SSG Goku doesn't exactly make too much sense narratively speaking (then again that infamous 6/7, 10 and 15 scale later got retconned plus Earth does indeed have tasty food) but I digress.
Also I would take any Beerus related reaction and statement (that isn't about a Zeno tier character) with a massive grain of salt, remember when the anime hyped up UI Goku being comparable or above Beerus?, only for Beerus to still be above Goku in the very next arc in the manga.
I mean Frieza does have busted AD, kinda funny if Frieza did maybe one or two days training, the Namek arc would've ended much differently lol!
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Tbf the moving goalpost was most evident only really once in the anime (BoG)
The manga is bullshit tho
BoG then Vegito and then the ToP and now the ******* Granolah Saga
The manga is bullshit tho
BoG then Vegito and then the ToP and now the ******* Granolah Saga
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beerus is?
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dbssh retcons this it seems, like, the Gods level are still things goku and vegeta want to reach
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His first reaction to seeing Broly on his planet is fright, although its assuaged by reassurance from the Saiyans and Whis, Lemo's cooking, and Cheelai's... charm
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Tbf in the anime its fair game. Its entirely possible Beerus could've done training. He was only asleep for the past 4 months when its been 3 years since the Broly movie
And Goku and Vegeta's reasonably assumed peak transformation as of now is Super Saiyan Blue so its not like the need to train to keep up with Broly and the Gods is unwarranted
Its absolute bullshit in the manga tho. Toyotaro is a ******* hack
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I think It makes sense that beerus is still the strongest, considering his feats on the manga.
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No one is arguing against his feats. Its the fact that its a ******* moving goalpost that's stupid
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i really don't remember this at all
we litterally scale ssjB goku as above or relative ssjB gogeta, and then vegeta would surpass that by 20x with ssjBE, altho isn't beerus whole thing that he is incredibly lazy?
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wait, Beerus>UI goku in the manga?
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Have you even watched the movie? LOL
In the anime it seems as though they haven't used those forms since the ToP so it was decided their current peak is Super Saiyan Blue
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Oliver_de_jesus
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Or this would happen when he go to Earth for kill Goku if he trained 5 minutes
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It doesn't help the "villains" and antagonists became weaksauce after the introduction of Toppo (still funny how retcons were even done last minute during the production of the DBS anime where they clearly replace "the man under the cloak" with Toppo when it was clearly Jiren during the promos lol!) where moving the goalposts became especially incessant.
Honestly I just want DBS to stop dragging it's feet with these borderline filler opponents in U7 and actually explore the Multiverse; the U6 saiyans, the first time traveler, the universes that didn't participate in the ToP, etc so many concepts being wasted tbh (at least DBH/Xeno does give some of the currently unused concepts in canon a bit of limelight tho).
Don't get me wrong I agree with many of your grievancies but let's not resort to name calling plus we all know DBS isn't exactly a masterpiece in terms of storytelling or power-creep.
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yeah i did, still don't remember all the details, so if you could kindly show to me i would really appreciate it
vegeta not being able to use blue evolution has no basis, plus they would be above beerus via scaling above ssjB gogeta
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does beerus do anything in the moro arc to warrant this?
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Wasn't Mecha Frieza already more powerful than Namek Frieza? Sheesh it's kinda funny that Beerus is pretty lazy yet remains the kingpin yet if Frieza wasn't lazy he might've been kingpin sooner.Or this would happen when he go to Earth for kill Goku if he trained 5 minutes
I half suspect Whis was fully aware of Frieza's potential from the beginning.
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He implies he can take down Moro in his final stage
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I suspect both Beerus and Whis are since beating Frieza seems to be more impressive than nuking Majin Boo
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Yeah but Frieza would think that Goku maybe got stronger even so adapting to his power would have been a better plan instead of going straight to earth.
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Just watch the movie on a a torrent site my guy
Because we don't see it in the Broly movie
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True but Majin Boo is whole can of worms in upon itself.
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i mean, you affirmed it right? could you at least tell when the scene is in the movie?
goku can still do the kaioken right? multipliers would make him stronger than beerus in any way
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Oliver_de_jesus
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I need this alternative timeline in Dragon ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 4
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"I will kill you now... In america!"
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Freedom amped Broly would be insane.
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Broly's gonna rumble everyone
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Or this would happen when he go to Earth for kill Goku if he trained 5 minutes
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Super was given maybe 2 months to be written with some small napkin notes from an out of practice Toriyama and it shows.
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Toei/Shuiesha try not to treat Dragon Ball like shit challenge (impossible edition)
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Dragon Ball is not that bad.
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I'm not saying it, it's actually super underrated story wise, it's just that Super hasn't had Toriyama's direct involvement and it shows. He wrote Broly, BoG, and Superhero, which were all great, and he helped with Moro, but Toyotaro has a trial by fire and Toei's writers were given two months to write a whole ass anime. Toei's strict scheduling never gave Super a chance to breathe
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The manga is horrible, I don't even like to touch it
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Fezzih_007
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Fricking no.
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It's all so tiresome
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I agree on the basis that each universe is a space time (which is made clear with the statement in the broly novel and goku black statement) and each branching timeline makes the multiverse so if it was any other verse it’s fine
though since it’s db ima have to disagree because even though it’s correct its “wank” since it’s db and db can’t be tier 1 it’s impossible
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