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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Powerscalers when they get reminded that Infinite speed characters move from the beginning to the end of an infinite distance:
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This is the second time you agree with me
 
I mean, most of the statements straight up come from guides, with Jaco’s being straight from the Anime and Manga.

Edit: The only contradiction is Bulma, whose assessment was literally never verified.
Exactly, i think someone will soon create a crt for the Universe to be infinite, i myself don't want to lose my head with another cosmology update.
 
What I tried to imply is that Cell does not have all the abilities of the beings that make him up and since there is no evidence or even allusion to Cell having type 1 immortality, it should be erased.
This straight up isn’t true, though. He has access to all their abilities (and genetic potential for abilities) through their DNA. The Kamehameha, Spirit Bomb, Super Saiyan, Death Beam, Psychokinesis, 3rd Grade, etc. Everything they are, he is.

The Anime makes this more clear by having him use the Multiform, the Tri-Beam, Special Beam Cannon, Galick Gun, etc.
 
I mean, the 48 minutes thing isn't exactly an argument either, as not even with MFTL+ speed they'd care of it. Do I need to remind you that the MFTL+ Jojo characters consider Time Stops/Skips of 10 seconds to be a big deal?
Ironically, Dragon Ball (while still suffering this issue, given .1 seconds of Time Frozen would still be an eternity for someone MFTL+), plays with this concept a lot closer to powerscaler assumptions. It’s directly mentioned to be “super short, but more than enough time for someone fast.” And then the reason it gets more powerful is the literal extension of time frozen, giving Hit more actions to take and hit you with.
 
I mean, the 48 minutes thing isn't exactly an argument either, as not even with MFTL+ speed they'd care of it. Do I need to remind you that the MFTL+ Jojo characters consider Time Stops/Skips of 10 seconds to be a big deal?
Remembering that it was a JoJo fan who said that, since we literally have something like that in his verse, lol
 
This straight up isn’t true, though. He has access to all their abilities (and genetic potential for abilities) through their DNA. The Kamehameha, Spirit Bomb, Super Saiyan, Death Beam, Psychokinesis, 3rd Grade, etc. Everything they are, he is.

The Anime makes this more clear by having him use the Multiform, the Tri-Beam, Special Beam Cannon, Galick Gun, etc.
Yes, abilities that they themselves developed, abilities of the races, etc. but we are talking about a wish to Shen Long that was wished by Piccolo King who transferred it to himself by giving his entire existence to the egg that he gave birth to. I'm not referring to the anime, I'm not aware of that and you may be right that there is more evidence about it but since many things that could have served in favor of your theory were discarded such as Luffy's last thread or the fact that the ki is soul manipulation (Cell supposedly has Goku's ki which would be his existence, soul, etc.) it is not that the MFTL+ for Cell or a larger scale to a large star or solar system cannot be ruled out.
 
Hypersonic+ doing that overtime? especially as DBZ has nothing observable and unobservable regions? Very unlikely to be the case tbh
again, hard as it would be, it wouldn't be impossible, giving that by the end of it all he was Solar System level.......it wouldn't really be hard as you are implying all things considered

given his possible eternal youth from piccolo he possibly inherited(as pointed by null) we can't really discard it
 
again, hard as it would be, it wouldn't be impossible, giving that by the end of it all he was Solar System level.......it wouldn't really be hard as you are implying all things considered

given his possible eternal youth from piccolo he possibly inherited(as pointed by null) we can't really discard it
Cell could just teleport like Buu
 
Cell only has "possible" in "type 1 immortality" and it is easily debunked, he would already be dead when he reaches the next star closest to Earth with his MHS+ speed...
 
again, hard as it would be, it wouldn't be impossible, giving that by the end of it all he was Solar System level
Cell becoming solar system after how Zenkai has ko bearing on when they statement was made, not sure why you brought it up
.......it wouldn't really be hard as you are implying all things considered
Considering how impossible it would be for a guy just 40+ above baseline Solar solar system to reach even the next galaxies without having MFTL+ speeds to close the gap? (The next major galaxy, Andromeda is basically 2 million light years away) unlikely and FURTHERMORE he wasn't an SS buster when tjr statement was made

The only way it wouldn't be hard is if he's fast enough to reach those stars, his AP alone isn't doing squat
Cell could just teleport like Buu
This was after he became super perfect cell
 
again, hard as it would be, it wouldn't be impossible, giving that by the end of it all he was Solar System level.......it wouldn't really be hard as you are implying all things considered

given his possible eternal youth from piccolo he possibly inherited(as pointed by null) we can't really discard it
There is nothing accepted on this wiki that justifies Cell's "possible type 1 immortality"
 
Cell only has "possible" in "type 1 immortality" and it is easily debunked, he would already be dead when he reaches the next star closest to Earth with his MHS+ speed...
even without type 1 immortality(which he has, and has no reason nor debunk to say he didn't had) how can you know he would be dead? can you prove his life span?
 
Cell becoming solar system after how Zenkai has ko bearing on when they statement was made, not sure why you brought it up

Considering how impossible it would be for a guy just 40+ above baseline Solar solar system to reach even the next galaxies without having MFTL+ speeds to close the gap? (The next major galaxy, Andromeda is basically 2 million light years away) unlikely and FURTHERMORE he wasn't an SS buster when tjr statement was made

The only way it wouldn't be hard is if he's fast enough to reach those stars, his AP alone isn't doing squat

This was after he became super perfect cell
Than Cell being able to destroy the universe makes no sense. He doesn't have infinite energy and the AP to destroy one solar-system. He would be gassed out after one full powered Ki attack.
 
even without type 1 immortality(which he has, and has no reason nor debunk to say he didn't had) how can you know he would be dead? can you prove his life span?
Is there any evidence that he has it besides having the cells of a being that was granted to him for literally being the incarnation of his previous self? Besides the fact that it is a "possible" it is not confirmed, when this thread you can try to argue against it.
If you want to go for the Limitless fallacies, no, I have no way to prove it but the longest living beings of which Cell has cells are the Namekians who live hundreds of years... and the nearest star is 4 light years away, Cell is MHS+, as the logic doesn't add up well.
 
Is there any evidence that he has it besides having the cells of a being that was granted to him for literally being the incarnation of his previous self?
..........if Piccolo cells never age, and Cell has those as part of his cells, 1 + 1 should be = to 2

Besides the fact that it is a "possible" it is not confirmed, when this thread you can try to argue against it.
you can, then do it

If you want to go for the Limitless fallacies
"Limitless fallacies"? what that?

, no, I have no way to prove it but the longest living beings of which Cell has cells are the Namekians who live hundreds of years... and the nearest star is 4 light years away, Cell is MHS+, as the logic doesn't add up well.
again, Cell is not a namekian, he is an android created from the Cells from numerous species and beings, unless you can prove that his life spam is = to a namekian, then no
 
Yes, abilities that they themselves developed, abilities of the races, etc. but we are talking about a wish to Shen Long that was wished by Piccolo King who transferred it to himself by giving his entire existence to the egg that he gave birth to. I'm not referring to the anime, I'm not aware of that and you may be right that there is more evidence about it but since many things that could have served in favor of your theory were discarded such as Luffy's last thread or the fact that the ki is soul manipulation (Cell supposedly has Goku's ki which would be his existence, soul, etc.) it is not that the MFTL+ for Cell or a larger scale to a large star or solar system cannot be ruled out.
He has EVERYONE’S Ki. Whenever he channels the info/data of a person, his Ki radiates like their’s. This INCLUDES Piccolo.
 
Why don't we use multipliers for flight speed?
Pretty sure it’s under the same reason we don’t do it for lifting strength. While it obviously does work in verse, the inconsistency between the projected numbers via canon multipliers and actual travel speed they demonstrate are too different to be considered compatible.
 
..........if Piccolo cells never age, and Cell has those as part of his cells, 1 + 1 should be = to 2


you can, then do it


"Limitless fallacies"? what that?


again, Cell is not a namekian, he is an android created from the Cells from numerous species and beings, unless you can prove that his life spam is = to a namekian, then no
It's not that simple, if it were "1+1=2" in this situation Cell would already have immortality 1 and not a "possible" in his list of abilities. Why should a wish made for a specific being which has validity on itself affect another separate entity? If you can give me the scan of whatever it is that confirms that Cell has an unlimited life expectancy we will be able to confirm that the situation is as simple as "1+1=2", until then immortality 1 in Cell is a complete exaggeration .
 
I don't know why you want a new topic of discussion when it will literally make 0 difference.

In fact, it's worse, since this topic has a lot of information over the years that someone can cite directly to find it.
 
..........if Piccolo cells never age, and Cell has those as part of his cells, 1 + 1 should be = to 2


you can, then do it


"Limitless fallacies"? what that?


again, Cell is not a namekian, he is an android created from the Cells from numerous species and beings, unless you can prove that his life spam is = to a namekian, then no
The life of a Namekian is the average that we can estimate to be able to give a concrete statement of what Cell can live (even without the supposed type 1 immortality)
 
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